The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Now to return back / I ask what he needed twice in this division / in so many / and grievous words complain off corrupt dealing? seeing him self flatly affirmeth / as much as I say of him / and otherwise can not maintain his cause. The truth is / that he abstained then from the words electing, and only, because he saw he had nothing to maintain them: which now by my reply / he was driven to put down / or else to forsake his cause. Wherein as he dissenteth from the truth: so he is driven to have a new combat with him self / in that he here maketh it indifferent / and at the discretion of the church in time of persecution / to make elections ether by one / or by the multitude: which is contrary to that he hath before in thes words. Lastly in time of ¹persecution when they have no magistrate, they be all equal, nether is one bound to obey another by any civill law: none hath chief, and especial care ⟨p. CCLXVIII⟩over the rest, as magistrate to compel: wherefore it can not be otherwise then, but that such offices should be chosen by common consent. Where he allegeth Zuing. and Bull. out of place / and contrary to the title of his chap. to prove the calling of certain by one Apostle: ²because they be Evangelists which we have no use off / and for that I have showed / that they both are clearly of this Judgement / that the minister ought to be chosen with consent off the church: I will not much busy my self with this matter. But although the Apostles did send thes Evangelists off their Embassages / to know how the churches did / and such like things as required no tarriance / nor execution off any set ministry in the churches whereunto they where sent: yet that they ever set them to rule any congregation by their private authority / is not to be esteemed. whereof this is an apparent reason / that Timothy was not set over the church off Ephesus by Saint Paul only / seeing that Paul confesseth that he received imposition off hands / ³by the eldership. The other also here mentioned being Evangelists / it is like the order used in one / was in the other. Nether do the words I left the at Creta, prove it. for he doth not say / that he ordained him: and if he had / yet it must be understanded / that he did ordain him as he had done in other churches / with consent off the church.