The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Tract. 3. and 4. according to the D. That all ordinary Ministries / are annexed to a certain place.

Tract. 3. and 4. according to the D. That all ordinarie Ministeries / are annexed to a certein place.

The A. in heaping up certain differences / between the office off an Apostle / and Pastor / answereth nothing to the ¹matter. If this be true which is set down / that they be like in this / that a certain church is to a pastor / or a minister / which the twelfth place was then amongest the Apostles: the reason off the Adm. is maintained. For then as it was not lawful for them / to have proceeded unto a new election / if Judas had not fallen from his ministry: so it is not lawful to ordain Pastors / so long as the place is full. likewise if the Apostles would not undertake any election / but where they had the light / and guide off the word off God / to show them the way / not only what manner a one / but when he should be chosen: much less is it lawful for the Bishops. The first off thes being so clear as the A. durst not plainly deny / he doth notwithstanding push at privily / saying / that Paul, and Barnabas were added above the number off twelve. But he should have known / that they were added by the Lord / and not by the church: where he should have showed that the Apostles / &c. chose the thirteenth Apostle. And we deny not but the Lord may now (if it seem good unto him) choose some Minister / which hath no certain place.

THe A. in heaping vp certein differences / betwene the office off an Apostle / and Pastor / answereth nothing to the ¹matter. Yff this be true which is set downe / that they be like in this / that a certein church is to a pastor / or a minister / vvhich the twelfth place was then amongest the Apostels: the reason off the Adm. is mainteined. For then as it was not lawfull for them / to haue proceeded vnto a newe election / if Iudas had not fallen from his ministerie: so it is not lawfull to ordeine Pastors / so longe as the place is full. likewise if the Apostels would not vndertake any election / but where they had the light / and guide off the worde off God / to shewe them the way / not onely what manner a one / but when he should be chosen: muche lesse is it lawefull for the Bishoppes. The first off thes being so cleare as the A. durst not plainly denie / he doth notwithstanding pushe at priuely / saying / that Paul, and Barnabas were added aboue the nombre off twelue. But he should haue knowen / that they were added by the Lorde / and not by the church: where he should haue shewed that the Apostels / &c. chose the thirtenth Apostle. And we denie not but the Lorde may nowe (if yt seme good vnto him) choose some Minister / which hath no certein place.