The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

That the discipline off the church / is not in the number of ⟨p. II⟩those things which are varied / is disputed in the second tractate / and in her several parts / through out the whole book. That the distinction off the common wealth / and the church hath been and ought to be kept of all men / which have spoken or written with any Judgement / shall be showed in the 20. Tractate: and therefore although the answerer do a 100. times repeat this thing in bare affirmations: yet the reader shall once for all / look for the answer off thes things in those places.

That the discipline off the church / is not in the nomber of ⟨p. II⟩those thinges which are varyed / is disputed in the second tractate / and in her seueral partes / thorowe out the whole booke. That the distinction off the common welthe / and the churche hathe bene and owght to be kepte of al men / which haue spokē or written with any Iudgement / shall be shewed in the 20. Tractate: and therfore althowghe the answerer doo a 100. tymes repeete this thinge in bare affirmacions: yet the reader shall once for all / looke for the answer off thes thinges in those places.

In his 8. section page 1. he speaketh off the authority off the magistrate upon no occasion / to no purpose / with great words / with no proof. Then as though I had written in unknown figures as the priests of Egypt: he complaineth of my obscurity / and that he can not understand what I mean: whereas I could hardly have used greater light of speech / if I had bent my self thereunto. For I prove the singular benefit that the discipline bringeth to the common wealth / for that by the Ecclesiastical censures off admonition / reprehension / suspension / &c. the lesser faults off lying / uncomely jesting / and choleric speaking being met with all: the passage is stopped against the greater faults off theft / adultery / and murder. Wherein observe his unfaithful dealing / which feigning him self not to understand that which my words do fully sound: doth notwithstanding forge things off me / whereof there is not the smallest inkling. For here upon he asketh / whether I think not the punishment of theft / and murder sharp enough / with divers other which follow: unto all which silence if they were handled as they deserve / were the fittest answer. Howbeit to shut up the mouth off them / which seek occasion / I answer: that as the Ecclesiastical censures / shut not out the civill punishments / nor hinder not in any part their course: so the civill punishments can not displace the church censures / considering that as the one is occupied in the punishment off the body / so the other is conversant in the instructing off the conscience: and we have a manifest example off the joining off them together in