The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

In his 8. section page 1. he speaketh off the authority off the magistrate upon no occasion / to no purpose / with great words / with no proof. Then as though I had written in unknown figures as the priests of Egypt: he complaineth of my obscurity / and that he can not understand what I mean: whereas I could hardly have used greater light of speech / if I had bent my self thereunto. For I prove the singular benefit that the discipline bringeth to the common wealth / for that by the Ecclesiastical censures off admonition / reprehension / suspension / &c. the lesser faults off lying / uncomely jesting / and choleric speaking being met with all: the passage is stopped against the greater faults off theft / adultery / and murder. Wherein observe his unfaithful dealing / which feigning him self not to understand that which my words do fully sound: doth notwithstanding forge things off me / whereof there is not the smallest inkling. For here upon he asketh / whether I think not the punishment of theft / and murder sharp enough / with divers other which follow: unto all which silence if they were handled as they deserve / were the fittest answer. Howbeit to shut up the mouth off them / which seek occasion / I answer: that as the Ecclesiastical censures / shut not out the civill punishments / nor hinder not in any part their course: so the civill punishments can not displace the church censures / considering that as the one is occupied in the punishment off the body / so the other is conversant in the instructing off the conscience: and we have a manifest example off the joining off them together in ⟨p. III⟩one / and the same action in the scripture. Where it was ordained / that he that came not at the day appointed / should be ¹punished by the loss off goods which was mere civill / and by separation from the congregation / which was altogether Ecclesiastical howbeit it shall be sufficient here to show / that where as the answerer should have disputed against this that the Ecclesiastical censures together with the civil punishments / have more force to resist sin / then the civill punishments only:

In his 8. section page 1. he speaketh off the authoritie off the magistrate vppon no occasion / to no purpose / with greate wordes / with no proofe. Then as thowghe I had written in vnknowne figures as the priestes of Aegypte: he complaineth of my obscuritie / and that he can not vnderstande what I meane: wheras I coulde hardely haue vsed greater light of speache / if I had bente my selfe therunto. For I proue the singuler benefite that the discipline bringeth to the comon welthe / for that by the Ecclesiasticall censures off admonition / reprehension / suspension / &c. the lesser faultes off lying / vncomely iesting / and cholericke speaking being met with all: the passage is stopped againste the greater faultes off thefte / adultery / and murder. Wherin obserue his vnfaithfull dealing / which feining him selfe not to vnderstande that which my wordes doo fullie sounde: doothe notwithstanding forge thinges off me / wheroff there is not the smallest ynkling. For here vppon he asketh / whether I thinke not the punishemet of thefte / and murther sharpe enowghe / with diuers other which folow: vnto all which sylence yff they were handled as they deserue / were the fittest answer. Howbeyt to shut vpp the mouthe off them / which seeke occasion / I answer: that as the Ecclesiasticall censures / shut not owte the ciuill punishementes / nor hinder not in any parte their course: so the ciuill punishementes can not displace the churche censures / considering that as the one is occupied in the punishement off the bodie / so the other is conuersant in the instructing off the conscience: and we haue a manifeste example off the ioyning off them together in