The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

not being able to answer to the reason / as though his nose bleed / turneth a side and looking another way / so reasoneth / as if the question were / whether the civill punishment were off greater strength to hold out sin / then the Ecclesiastical / which neither is / nor shall be the question at this time / it is sufficient that they be both necessary. And whereas he asketh whether the magistrate hath not power to correct lying / uncomely jesting / choleric speaking (off which only question he might seem to have some colour of occasion given by my words) I answer that in saying that the magistrate doth not commonly punish them / I neither say that either he may not / or he will not (as he doth untruly surmise) but I had regard unto the estate both of our common wealth / and of all other which I know this day / where there are for the most part in thes cases / no courts or judgement seats / which do once take knowledge off thes causes it being also a common principle / that the law doth not take care of small things, as it is alleged in one of the law cases / which is reported in King Henry the eight his years. And in respect that such like matters are only corrected by thes censures off the church / they are called off certain consistory matters. And therefore I refuse not only the judgement off the indifferent but off the most enemy reader / which hath but a spark off equity in him: How untrue it is / that either we wring the sword by thes words out off the magistrates hand / or suspend the drawing off it in any respect / upon the pleasure off the eldership off the church.

not being able to answer to the reason / as thoughe his nose blead / turnethe a syde and looking another way / so reasonethe / as if the questiō were / whether the ciuill punishement were off greater strenght to holde owte sinne / then the Ecclesiasticall / which neither is / nor shallbe the question at this time / yt is sufficient that they be bothe necessarie. And whereas he asketh whether the magistrate hathe not power to correcte lying / vncomely iesting / cholericke speaking (off which onely question he might seeme to haue some colour of occasion giuen by my wordes) I answer that in saying that the magistrate doothe not cōmonly punishe them / I neither saye that either he maie not / or he will not (as he doothe vntrewlie surmise) but I had regarde vnto the estate bothe of our comon welthe / and of all other which I knowe this daie / where there are for the moste parte in thes cases / no courtes or iudgemente seates / which doo once take knowledge off thes causes it being also a common principell / thar the lavve doothe not take care of smal things, as it is alledged in one of the lawe cases / which is reported in Kinge Henry the eight his yeares. And in respecte that suche like matters are onely corrected by thes censures off the churche / they are called off certeine consistorie matters. And therfore I refuse not onelie the iudgement off the indifferent but off the moste enemy reader / which hathe but a sparcke off equitie in him: How vntrew it is / that either we wringe the sword by thes wordes owte off the magistrates hande / or suspende the drawing off yt in anie respecte / vppon the pleasure off the eldershipp off the churche.