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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
The reply unto the answer pag. j. &c.The replye vnto the answer pag. j. &c.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
In the 9. section pag. 6. as though the imperfection off the church were not confessed off our parts / he setteth him self to prove / that men commit faults as long as they be in this life. Secondly to prove that the church florisheth with us / he allegeth that the common wealth florisheth: whereunto forsomiche as it is with out the compass off this treatise to meddle with the recital off the breaches off the common wealth / and there are other proofs enough to convince the deformities off the church: I will make no answer / saving that he must understand that in supposing divers cracks in the common wealth / we are so far from staining the careful watch / and painfulness off the godly magistrate (as he surmiseth) that his faithful and godly travails are rather hereby commended / who in so sore a sickness / and amongst so many partly unfaithful / and partly unskilful physicians / hath hitherto kept life in it.
In the 9. section pag. 6. as thowghe the imperfection off the churche were not confessed off our partes / he setteth him selfe to proue / that men commit faultes as longe as they be in this liffe. Secondly to proue that the churche florisheth with vs / he alledgeth that the common wealthe florisheth: wherunto forsomiche as it is with owt the compas off this treatise to medle with the recitall off the breaches off the common welthe / and there are other proofes enowghe to conuince the deformities off the churche: I will make no answer / sauing that he muste vnderstande that in supposing diuers crackes in the common wealthe / we are so farre from staining the carefull watche / and painefulnes off the godlie magistrate (as he surmiseth) that his faithfull and godlie trauailes are rather herebie commended / who in so sore a sicknes / and amonges so manie partely vnfaithefull / and partely vnskillfull physicions / hathe hetherto kept liffe in yt.
In the 10. section / pag. 6 where he saith / that the threatening off the Prophet appertaineth to other realms / which 1refuse and persecute the gospel / and can not belong unto ours: the discipline being as it is propounded / and offered to be proved / a part off the gospel / must needs arm the lord against the refusers and so much the more / as it coming into the church as into her home / is therefore more dangerously rejected. And where the answerer in words calleth for fruit off the gospel: In this enmity which he hath with the discipline off the church pulling down the hedge wherewith the lords orchard should be false from the invasion of hurtful beasts: he is as friendly to the fruits of the gospel / as the East wind is to the fruits of the earth. For the Discipline off the church being one off the most excellentest means that the lord hath ordained / to cause the doctrine of the gospel to fructify: he is found a nourice of that barrenness against which he exhorteth.