A18080:754
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
The 5. Tract. and 6. un the O.The 5. Tract. and 6. vn the O.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Last off all by that skill off God / and off his word / they must needs understand such gifts / as are necessary for a shepherd to feed his flock: which is ability to teach / to exhort / to convince the adversary: and if he have those / although he have not the knowledge off tongues / and arts / in the name off God let him have the chair. And such I confess our church hath had / and hath some / but they are very rare: and off thes I doubt not but the confession meaneth. Nether can they be without manifest injury / thought to receive those which they had before condemned. for shall we say off them that with one mouth / yea with one breathe they blew hot / and cold? whereupon I conclude / that the condemnation being here greater then the pardon / and the wound wider then the plaster: you were very near driven / when you were compelled to use the testimony off thes churches / to cover the nakedness off the ignorant ⟨p. CCCLXVII⟩ministers▪ your notable slander off the Adm. I am content shall (as you say) rest in the readers judgment. That I have gathered your argument faithfully / touching the learning off Catechisms / is showed before. There followeth the 2. divis. (the first being a blank) where beside the causes by him assigned 1of want off able Ministers / be to no purpose / considering that we show there can be no cause off instituting a reading ministry / and be also out off place / considering that he should have opposed them / to those which I alleged in that behalf: that 2which only was material / that we be in cause off that fewness, is only said.
Laste off all by that skill off God / and off his worde / they muste needes vnderstande suche giftes / as are necessarie for a shepherd to feede his flocke: whiche is habilitie to teache / to exhorte / to conuince the aduersarie: and if he haue those / althoughe he haue not the knowledge off tounges / and artes / in the name off God let him haue the chaire. And suche I confesse our churche hathe had / and hathe some / but they are very rare: and off thes I doubte not but the confession meaneth. Nether can they be withowte manifeste iniurie / thowghte to receiue those whiche they had before condemned. for shall wee saie off them that with one mouthe / yea with one breathe they blewe whout / and kolde? wheruppon I conclude / that the condemnation beinge heere greater then the pardon / and the wound wider then the plaister: yow were verie neere driuen / when yow were compelled to vse the testimonie off thes churches / to couer the nakednes off the ignorante