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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
The 5. Tract. and 6. un the O.The 5. Tract. and 6. vn the O.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Where he saith / that I condemn the argument drawn off mens authority, it is untrue: I said it constraineth not. And I spake of it where it is question off searching the truth off a matter / wherein many easily deceived / none knoweth the full off it: and not off reporting things done in presence off him that writeth / whereof he making profession to write / can not without gross oversight / pass by. where he saith / it is an evil argument to conclude off a thing not done, that it should not be done: if the churches governed by the Prophets / and Apostles did it not / it being put as a piece off the service off God / and as the D. saith. necessary: ether they faulted in not using this means / which is absurd / or the D. which defendeth the use off it. He saith / I can not but acknowledge one good ⟨p. CCCXCVII⟩sermon red, to edify more then the Chaldee paraphrastes. so destitute off means to refute the reason I set down / why a short paraphrasis was meeter then homilies, namely for that they approached nearer unto the reading off the scripture which is best: he setteth his cause at my courtesy. But if I grant that he asketh / he is nothing nearer: onles he can prove that a learned homily / is fitter then a learned paraphrase made now in this great light / which the Chaldee paraphrastes could not have when they wrote. So that although they expounding darkly / according to the time they wrote in / be not so fit now to read / as an homily: yet it standeth still / that a paraphrast is fitter to be red then an homily. Where he saith / I know that the Jews have thes paraphrastes yet red: I showed both by scripture and otherwise / that they had them not openly red / when there was greatest need off them. If they had them after when divers corruptions were entered / or now when they are the synagogue off Satan / tha• maketh rather for me. They which told him that Jonathan was 42. years before our Saviour Christ / if they meant thereby to confute that I set down / should have given him something to answer the authority I alleged. Although he might be well 42. years before our Saviour Christ / and then too: considering he was school fellow to Simeon / off whom S. Luke maketh mention.
Where he saith / that I condemne thargument drawen off mennes autoritie, yt is vntrue: I said it constreineth not. And I spake of it where yt is question off searching the truth off a matter / wherin many easely deceiued / none knoweth the full off it: and not off reporting thinges doone in presence off him that writeth / wherof he making profession to write / can not withowt grosse ouersight / passe by. where he saith / yt is an euill argument to conclude off a thing not doon, that it shovld not be doon: if the churches gouerned by the Prophetes / and Apostles did it not / it being put as a peece off the seruice off God / and as the D. saith. necessary: ether they faulted in not vsing this meanes / which is absurd / or the D. which defendeth the vse off it. He saith / I can not but acknowledge one good