The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Whether a bishop be contained under a Pastor / or rather a ¹Pastor under a bishop: shall not now be the question. But you are inconstant in all your ways / and have one sentence standing / an other sitting. For albeit I should agree with you / that a bishop is a Pastor: yet you do not agree with your self. For otherwhere in stretching out the Bishops arms / you have thes words: a bishop is both superior in office, and gifts unto a Pastor. If he be so / he can not be contained under him: for that which containeth ²an other thing / hath at the least all in it self / which the contained hath. Again if I grant a bishop contained under the Pastor S. Paul speaketh of: yet I will not grant that the bishop you mean (which having so many churches to rule / hath never a one where he doth the office off a bishop) is contained under S. Pauls Pastor. For seeing his foundation is laid in Jeromes bishop / proved before / and after / not to be of the institution of God / but off man: it can not be / that our kind of bishop should be comprehended under S. Pauls Pastor. Whereupon also followeth / that the archbishop which hath a necessary relation to that kind off bishop / and can not stand without him: is not by any means contained under S. Pauls Pastor. The proofs of your division of bishops into archbishops / and those called by the common name of bishops / are as doubtful as that wherefore they are brought.

Whether a bishop be conteined vnder a Pastor / or rather a ¹Pastor vnder a bishop: shall not now be the question. But yow are inconstant in all yowr waies / and haue one sentēce standing / an other sitting. For albeit I should agree with yow / that a bishop is a Pastor: yet yow doo not agree with yowr self. For otherwere in stretching owt the Bishops armes / yow haue thes wordes: a bishop is both superior in office, and giftes vnto a Pastor. If he be so / he can not be conteined vnder him: for that vvhich conteineth ²an other thing / hath at the least all in it self / which the conteined hath. Againe if I graunt a bishop conteined vnder the Pastor S. Paul speaketh of: yet I will not graunt that the bishop yow meane (which hauing so many churches to rule / hath neuer a one where he doth the office off a bishop) is conteined vnder S. Paules Pastor. For seing his foundacion is laied in Ieromes bishop / proued before / and after / not to be of the institutiō of God / but off man: yt can not be / that our kinde of bishop shoulde be comprehended vnder S. Paules Pastor. Wheruppon also followeth / that tharchbishop which hath a necessarie relation to that kinde off bishop / and can not stand withowt him: is not by any meanes conteined vnder S. Paules Pastor. The proofes of yowr diuision of bishops into archbishops / and those called by the commen name of bishops / are as doubtfull as that wherfore they are brought.