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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Now I come to that more proper to this place / that histories are not so curious in calling men by their several titles: because we use to call the bishops of Canterbury, and York, oftener by name of bishop then archbishop. But he should understand / that it is one thing to speak after the common sort: and an other to write to the approbation of the learned. And when there is no kind of writing so narrowly bound to the observation of circumstances off place / time / person / as a story: it must bring a great mist in it / to put no difference between a bishop / and an Archbishop: considering that that pertaineth to the policy off the church / whereunto they had regard. So that although he use some liberty off speech in other places: yet in this place it was more insufferable / and that so continually / in Denis twice / in James / in the bishop of Rome / of Alexandria / &c. he might without reprehension have spoken so once / or twice: but him perpetually to call all Archbishops bishops / I think you vvill hardly persuade any man off judgement. And if there had been any such titles allowed: it would have appeared in the superscriptions off bishops to archbishops. At least the lower degrees off Deacons / and Elders would have acknowledged it / as both duty / and honest civility requireth: otherwise if the archbishops had been froward / they would not have red the letters. But not Eusebius only / Denis the Bishop / who wrote unto the church off Athens / so called him even in that place / where 1(if he could truly) he would have awakened those of Athens / with the honourable mention off Denis their former archbishop: and not have let pass that weight off authority / to have made his admonition more sounding.
Now I come to that more proper to this place / that histories are not so curious in calling men by their seuerall tytles: because we vse to call the bishops of Canturbery, and Yorke, oftener by name of bishop then archbishop. But he should vnderstand / that yt is one thing to speake after the commen sort: and an other to write to the approbation of the learned. And when there ys no kinde of writing so narrowly bound to the obseruation of circumstances off place / time / person / as a storie: yt must bring a great mist in it / to put no difference betwene a bishop / and an Archbishop: considering that that perteineth to the policie off the church / vvherunto they had regard. So that althowgh he vse some libertie off speach in other places: yet in this place yt was more insufferable / ād that so cōtinually / in Denys twise / in Iames / in the bishop of Rome / of Alexandria / &c. he might withowt reprehension haue spoken so once / or twise: but him perpetually to call all Archbishops bishops / I thinck yow vvill hardly perswade any man off iudgement. And if there had bene any such titles allowed: yt would haue appeared in the superscriptions off bishops to archbishops. At least the lower degrees off Deacons / and Elders would haue acknowledged it / as both dutie / and honest ciuilitie requireth: otherwise if the archbishops had bene froward / they would not haue red the letters. But not Eusebius onely / Denys the Bishop / who wrote vnto the church off Athenes / so called him euen in that place / where