And again having to do with an Arian / affirmeth: 1that neither he ought to bring forth the council off Niece, nor the other the council of Arimin, thereby to bring prejudice each to other: neither ought the Arian to be holden by the authority off the one, nor him self by the authority of the other: but by the scriptures which are witnesses proper to neither, but common ro both, matter with matter, cause with cause, reason with reason ought to be debated. And in another place against Petiliane 2the donatian heretic he saith: Let not these words be heard between us, I Say: you Say: let us hear this, Thus saith the lord, and by and by speaking off the scriptures he saith there let us seek the church, there let us try the cause ⟨p. XXII⟩Here it is manifest that the argument of authority off man affirmatively is nothing worth / which the answerer notwithstanding maketh so great accounts off: likewise that reason which is not directly against the truth is preferred to authority which the A. denieth. and if Augustin thought that in a matter off controversy the authority off so many godly and learned fathers as were assembled at that Council off Niece interpreting the scriptures rightly / ought not to be alleged not only to condemn and convince / but not so much as to prejudice an heresy long ago condemned: if he would have the truth tried by the scripture only: let all men judge how evil a follower off Augustin the D. is / which in the authority of one or two men layeth so great weight / that he thinketh that kind off proof to be the best proof off his and overthrow off his adversaries cause. And if at any time 3it happened unto him (as it did against the Donatists▪ and others) to allege the authority off the ancient fathers which had been before him: yet that was not done before be had laid a sure foundation off his cause in the scriptures / and that also being provoked by the adversaries off the truth / who bare themselves high off some Council / or off some man off name that had favoured their part. And therefore if the A. would salve this with the example off Augustin in other places: yet for that he never in any cause layeth any foundation / either of any scripture or colour of scripture: and being provoked flieth still from it / as from the rock and sands o his cause:
And againe hauinge to doo withe an Arrian / affirmeth: 1that neither he ovvght to bringe forthe the councell off Neece, nor the other the councell of Arimin, therby to btinge preiudice eche to other: neither ovvght the Arrian to be houlden by the authoritie off the one, nor him selffe by the authoritie of the other: but by the scriptures vvhiche are vvitnesses proper to neither, but common ro bothe, matter vvith matter, cause vvith cause, reason vvith reason ovvght to be debated. And in another place against Petiliane 2the donatian hereticke he saith: Let not these vvordes be heatd betvvene vs, I Saye: yovv Saye: let vs heare this, Thus saithe the lord, and by and by speaking off the scriptures he saithe there let vs seeke the churche, there let vs trie the cause ⟨p. XXII⟩Here yt is manifest that the argument of authoritie off man affirmatiuely is nothing worthe / which the answerer notwithstanding maketh so great accounts off: likewise that reason whiche is not directly against the trewth is preferred to authoritie which the A. denieth. and if Augustin thowght that in a matter off controuersie the authoritie off so manye godlie and learned fathers as were assembled at that Councell off Nece interpeting the scriptures rightlie / owght not to be alledged not onelie to condemne and conuince / but not so muche as to preiudice an heresie long agoo condemned: iff he would haue the trewth tried by the scripture onely: let all men iudge how euill a folower off Augustin the D. is / which in the authoritie of one or two men layeth so great weight / that he thinketh that kinde off proufe to be the best proufe off his and ouerthrowe off his aduersaries cause. And iff at any time 3it happened vnto him (as it did against the Donatistes▪ and others) to alledge the authorite off the auncient fathers which had bene before him: yet that was not done before be had layed a sure foundation off his cause in the scriptures / and that also being prouoked by the aduersaries off the treuth / who bare themselues highe off some Councell / or off some man off name that had fauoured their parte. And therfore iff the A. would salue this with the example off Augustin in other places: yet for that he neuer in any cause laieth any foundation / either of any scripture or colour of scripture: ād being prouoked flieth still from it / as from the rocke and sandes o his cause:
- 1Against Maxim. • the Arian. 3. 14. chap.Against Maxim. • the Arrian. 3. 14. chap.
- 2De unitate ecclesiae cap. 3.De vnitate ecclesiae cap. 3.
- 3Contr Julian Pelagiann̄ lib. prim. lib. de natur. & grat.Contr Iulian Pelagiann̄ lib. prim. lib. de natur. & grat.