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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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That I said of the Archbishop (if any were) ruling the action wherein the bishops were ordained / and after the action ended having no more authority than the rest / is unconfuted / by any writer you allege. Calvin (the ignorance of whose writings, with all other, you object unto me) doth not only not speak against it: but saith in some respect more then I. For I speak this only of the Archbishop / alleged out of the counterfeit Ambrose: but he (as I have showed) sayeth generally of those ancient times / that the 1office off the Archbishop was rarely used. And that I said not (as you use) without reason: but with those reasons which you lifting at / can not move. For where I showed it not hke that one Archbishop ordained bishops / but other bishops with him / 2whose voices he gathered / the ancient councils expressly forbidding that: you say you showed it not strange at that time, for a bishop alone to ordain ministers. Which thing how untrue it is / I ⟨p. CCCCXCIII⟩refer my self to that before said. And if you had showed it: yet 3you making difference between a minister / and a bishop / in proving that one bishop only ordained ministers / have not proved that one bishop ordained bishops. And in saying that Ambrose is to be understanded, of that done by all bishops in all places: you make them all guilty off breach off canons off the general councils in that behalf. Which how untrue it is / may likewise appear by that before said. Then how vain is it / that for that the people had 4to do in the bishops election, one bishop alone without other his fellows, did ordain? After he asketh. Where is now my distinction of election, and ordination. First I declared that they being for the most part distinguished / are sometime taken for one. Secondly I have uttered no word whereby it is once touched. Thirdly if I had taken it away: yet: he same toucheth not this matter / as he saith / but nether showeth / nor can show how. only having nothing to answer / he speaketh in the clouds: where he is so far from being understood of others / that I think he understood not him self.