A18080:974
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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I leave the things before handled / off Residence on a certain place for every minister: here is question only / what likelihood 1our Deans have with the old. Which because the D. will not perceive / I must be compelled to show Augustine's words to him better. First therefore the Deans were monks (for 2often monks one was Dean) and consequently not ministers: when it is manifest by stories / that the old monks were not only no ministers of the word / but not so much as within any order ecclesiastical. Secondly it was a reproach for those monks / and Deans to be in any city / or great town: seeing that a city 3was a prison unto monks / and agreed unto them as dry land unto fish. Thirdly their profession was to labour / and to gain their living by hand: nether was it lawful for them otherwise to live / so that he that did not labour / was esteemed as a thief: beside that / their diet was very homely / and gross. Hitherto I think there is nothing like with our Deans. Now where the Answ saith / the Deans were set over the other 9. Monks, and so in their ⟨p. DV⟩rule resemble ours: he forgetteth that their rule was but in provision for meat / and playing the part off their Cater / whereof they made account unto the Father. Of whom there was no cause the D. should make mention here: but that he finding no deanly authority in this poor Dean / would fain make it out in the father: whilst he would make the reader believe / that the Father / and Dean / were all one.
I leaue the thinges before handled / off Residence on a certein place for euery minister: here is question onely / what likelihood 1our Deanes haue with the ould. Which becawse the D. will not perceiue / I must be compelled to shew Augustines wodes to him better. First therfore the Deanes were monkes (for 2often monkes one was Deane) and consequently not ministers: when it is manifest by stories / that the ould monkes were not onely no ministers of the word / but not so much as within any order ecclesiasticall. Secondly it was a reproche for those monkes / and Deanes to be in any citie / or great towne: seing that a citie