A18080:983
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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If there were no other difference between the times off the 1Apostles / and those from whence the D. fetcheth his examples / but this that then there was none so little an error, which was not beaten down as soon as ever it peeped up, no infection 2being able to lay hold off the chief governors, which in his times had possessed the best off them: that alone is sufficient to show / that examples may be safely fetched from the Apostles times ⟨p. DXI⟩/ which can not be without great danger / drawn from his times. But doth not the D. see how greatly he is abused / which compareth the heretics off the Apostles times / with the Catholics off his? their utter falling away / with the corruption of others? Whereas if he would have answered to that I set down: he should have compared Catholic governors / with Catholic governors. But he to lift up the credit off his times / and to make them equal / or rather for the matter off government superior unto the Apostles: compareth the rose of his / with the thorns off the Apostles times / the gold off those / with the dross off thes. And although it be gross answer / yet as if one should glory in his shame / in the next section he insulteth upon me / as though he had answered very aptly / and I had spoken in the air. Whereupon I will leave it to the consideration off the reader / whether he seeking to advance his testimonies in those words (b hitherto Antichrist had not invaded the church off Rome, and in thes / approved off the best, worthiest, and eldest Councils, fathers, and writers, and a little after / cthes names were used in the purest times of the church): I have to the purpose showed / that those times were not pure / nor virginlyke / but that the churches were then much departed / from the singleness wherein the Apostles had left them. I leave also to judgement / whether the answer I make in this behalf / be other then all those give which have to do with confutation of those popish errors: for the establishment of divers whereof / the Papists urge the same antiquity / which the D. now presseth us with.