An apologetical reply to a book called an answer to the unjust complaint of…An apologeticall reply to a booke called an ansvver to the unjust complaint of…

Now, seeing the Answerer used no other Arguments, in conference, then these, the wise hearted Reader, I think, will not wonder that by such private conferences he prevailed nothing with me, in this point.

Now, seing the Answerer used no other Arguments, in conference, then these, the wise hearted Reader, I thinck, will not wonder that by such private conferences he prevayled nothing with me, in this point.

As for the third particular observable in this Section, viz, his pretended answers to some passages in my third writing.

As for the third particular observeable in this Section, viz, his pretended answers to some passages in my third wrighting.

First, About the report of my refusing to dispute or confer about this point, when he desired it, seeing he denieth that he so reported, and confesseth the contrary, I am satisfied.

First, About the report of my refusing to dispute or conferr about this point, when he desired it, seing he denyeth that he so reported, and confesseth the contrary, I am satisfyed.

Thirdly, where as he saith, that he remembereth not that ever I propounded any Argument, in maintenance of mine opinion, the Reader may see how little his memory is to be trusted in these reports, unless the profaning of Gods ordinance, and the encouragement of Libertines, be not unlawful, which I showed to be inseparably joined with this promiscuous baptising.

Thirdly, where as he sayth, that he remembreth not that ever I propounded any Argument, in maintenance of myne opinion, the Reader may see how litle his memory is to be trusted in these reports, unles the profaning of Gods ordinance, and the incouragement of Libertines, be not unlawfull, which I shewed to be inseperably joyned with this promiscuous baptising.

Fourthly, Whereas he loadeth me with reproaches, for ⟨p. 124⟩writing down, when I came home to my lodging, the speeches between us, without his knowledge, I am so far from conceiving my self to be guilty of any fault therein, that I wish heartily he had taken the same course, and then, I hope, the Reader should not have been abused with so many misreports, as now he is, by the fault of his memory. As for me; foreseeing to what issue things might come, and distrusting my memory, that I might be able to report the truth, I wrote down passages, as I could remember, whilst things were yet fresh in memory, and kept the writing, to this day, secret, having never shown it to any man, nor have, at this time, related some things which, I think, the Answerer would be loath to hear of in print, and those which he compelleth me to utter, I report sparingly. Let the Godly Reader judge what offence I have committed herein, or what injury he hath done in such expressions, as he useth upon this occasion, yea, whether it be not plain railing.

Fourthly, Whereas he loadeth me with reproaches, for ⟨p. 124⟩wrighting downe, when I came home to my lodging, the speaches betweene us, without his knowledge, I am so farr from conceiving my selfe to be guilty of any fault therein, that I wish heartily he had taken the same course, and then, I hope, the Reader should not have bene abused with so many misreports, as now he is, by the fault of his memory. As for me; foreseing to what issue things might come, and distrusting my memory, that I might be able to report the truth, I wrote downe passages, as I could remember, whilest things were yet fresh in memory, and kept the wrighting, to this day, secret, having never shewen it to any man, nor have, at this time, related some things which, I thinck, the Answerer would be loath to heare of in print, and those which he compelleth me to utter, I report sparingly. Let the Godly Reader judge what offence I have committed herein, or what injury he hath done in such expressions, as he useth upon this occasion, yea, whether it be not plaine rayling.

Fifthly, He pretendeth that, in my first writing to the Classis, J offend, both in excess, and in defect. This is a mere cavil: which will appear, if all that he saith be granted, against which nevertheless▪ I have just exception. But be it, that his question was, as he saith: What measure of knowledge I would, in my examination, require of parents for the baptising of their children. Yet 1. Was this the only question? was not that question, which is mentioned in my letter to the Classis, put by him? yea, was not that the principal question? Else, it was not to the purpose. Was nothing else propounded by me to be considered, in this case, but such a degree of knowledge? If so; why did I except against professed Libertines, who may have more knowledge then some members of the Church?

Fifthly, He pretendeth that, in my first wrighting to the Classis, J offend, both in excesse, and in defect. This is a mere cavill: which will appeare, if all that he sayth be granted, against which nevertheles▪ I have just exception. But be it, that his question was, as he sayth: What measure of knowledge I would, in my examination, require of parents for the baptising of their children. Yet 1. Was this the only question? was not that question, which is mentioned in my letter to the Classis, put by him? yea, was not that the principall question? Else, it was not to the purpose. Was nothing else propounded by me to be considered, in this case, but such a degree of knowledge? If so; why did I except against professed Libertines, who may have more knowledge then some members of the Church?

As for my answer to it, that the measure of knowledge could not be declared, till the time of examining the persons; Let the Reader judge, whether a more satisfactory answer could be given to that question, and whether it be from the point, about which his question was.

As for my answer to it, that the measure of knowledg could not be declared, till the time of examining the persons; Let the Reader judge, whether a more satisfactory answer could be given to that question, and whether it be from the point, about which his question was.

Sixthly, His answer to what J wrote of my not ceasing, till he gave over, of leaving it to the Dutch preachers, and of his saying, that he would speak no more with me alone, is a plain concession ⟨p. 125⟩that •ll I say concerning that is true. Only, he saith, he did not say it then, whereas the time, when he said it, is not mentioned in my writing, wherein I say only that I ceased not, till he said so, and against that he saith nothing.

Sixtly, His answer to what J wrote of my not ceasing, till he gave over, of leaving it to the Dutch preachers, and of his saying, that he would speake no more with me alone, is a plaine concession ⟨p. 125⟩that •ll I say concerning that is true. Only, he sayth, he did not say it then, whereas the time, when he said it, is not mentioned in my wrighting, wherein I say only that I ceased not, till he said so, and against that he sayth nothing.

His Answer to the 12. Sect. examined, containing the counsel of the five Dutch ministers for my accommodation.

His Answer to the 12. Sect. examined, contayning the counsail of the five Dutch ministers for my accōmodation.

IN this Section the Answerer doth, in his policy, so express the ways of accommodation propounded by others, as may best conduce to the justifying of his way, and to the reflecting of some suspicion of obstinacy upon me, for not yielding thereunto, but how truly let the Reader judge, upon the examination of particulars.

IN this Section the Answerer doth, in his policy, so expresse the wayes of accommodation propounded by others, as may best conduce to the justifying of his way, and to the reflecting of some suspicion of obstinacy upon me, for not yeelding thereunto, but how truely let the Reader judge, upon the examination of particulars.

Ans. First, He intimateth that Mr. Pots had long joined with him, in that order of administration of Baptism, which he required me to observe.] Reply. Ans: Mr. Pot was a man unknown to me, in his life time. Since his death, some things which are reported of him, and, of his sufferings in that place (both by Dutch and English, by whom he was generally beloved and pitied) do give me much assurance of his faithfulness. How this good man approved of their manner of baptising (in the case now questioned) appeareth by his own expressions to some members of that Church, who are yet alive, to whom he declared that he accounted it a grievance, and that he had a purpose to seek redress of it, at the Synod. Whether he did so, or not, the Answerer knoweth best, and with what success. But this showeth, with what affection this good man joined with him therein, and how far he was from approving this custom.

Ans. First, He intimateth that Mr. Pots had long joyned with him, in that order of administration of Baptisme, which he required me to observe.] Reply. Ans: Mr. Pot was a man unknowne to me, in his life time. Since his death, some things which are reported of him, and, of his sufferings in that place (both by Dutch and English, by whom he was generally beloved and pittyed) doe give me much assurance of his faythfullnes. How this good man approved of their manner of baptising (in the case now questioned) appeareth by his owne expressions to some members of that Church, who are yet alive, to whom he declared that he accounted it a greivance, and that he had a purpose to seeke redresse of it, at the Synod. Whether he did so, or not, the Answerer knoweth best, and with what successe. But this sheweth, with what affection this good man joyned with him therein, and how farr he was from approving this custom.

Secondly. He intimateth that this advise of the five Dutch Preachers for accommodation proceeded from his willingness to accommodate ⟨p. 126⟩me.] If this were really so; why did the Answerer refuse all the means of accommodation, which I propounded, and knowing that no way would accommodate me, but that which would secure me from future trouble about this matter, when he had rejected that which would have ended the difference, seemeth willing to yield to any other way. What is this, but, as when a man that hath promised to do any kindness that another shall request at his hands, being entreated to help him, in such a strait, with money or countenance (or the like, his case necessarily requiring it, and the other being very well able to do it) he should answer, I will do any thing but this. Will any man value the friendship, or fair pretences of such an one.

Secondly. He intimateth that this advise of the five Dutch Preachers for accomodation proceeded from his willingnes to accommodate ⟨p. 126⟩me.] If this were really so; why did the Answerer refuse all the meanes of accommodation, which I propounded, and knowing that no way would accommodate me, but that which would secure me from future trouble about this matter, when he had rejected that which would have ended the difference, seemeth willing to yeeld to any other way. What is this, but, as when a man that hath promised to doe any kindnes that another shall request at his hands, being intreated to helpe him, in such a streight, with mony or countenance (or the like, his case necessarily requiring it, and the other being very well able to doe it) he should answer, I will doe any thing but this. Will any man value the freindship, or faire pretences of such an one.

Thirdly. He produceth a Copy of the advise of the Dutch preachers set down in writing by themselves in his house, in Dutch, thence, by the appointment of the rest, one of them translated it into latin (which was sent to me) and now is by him out of latin translated into English. Now that the Reader may see how much he is abused, by this false translation of that writing, I will publish [Greek or Hebrew], the very writing it self verbatim, without alteration of a syllable as I received it from them, and then compare this translation with it.

Thirdly. He produceth a Copy of the advise of the Dutch preachers set downe in wrighting by themselves in his house, in Dutch, thence, by the appoyntment of the rest, one of them translated it into latine (which was sent to me) and now is by him out of latine translated into English. Now that the Reader may see how much he is abused, by this false translation of that wrighting, I will publish 〈non-Latin alphabet〉, the very wrighting it selfe verbatim, without alteration of a syllable as I received it from them, and then compare this translation with it.

The Latin copy, word for word. Nos infra-scripti Pastores Ecclesiae Belgicae in civitate Amsteldamensi, a viro Reverendo D. Pageto, fiddly pastor in Ecclesiâ Anglicanâ ejusdem civitatis, nec non a venerandis fratribus Senioribus ac Diaconis ejusdem Ecclesiae Anglicanae, specialiter requisiti ac fraternè rogati, ut privatum nostrum judicium in causa vocationis (quae ab universâ Ecclesiâ praedictâ videtur expeti) Reverendi, Clarissimi, Doctissimique viri D. DAVENPORTII sincerè declarare, atque exponere non recusemus, idque in casu illo unico particularly, spectante Baptismum eorum. infantium, qui in Ecclesiâ Anglicanâ baptizandi offeruntur; Re totâ utrinque benè intellectâ, ritè perpensâ, et ad normam Verbi Dei, ordinemque receptum in Ecclesijs Reformatis harum Provinciarum, in quibus praedicta Ecclesia Anglicana sese membrum profiretur sub Class Amsteldamensi, probè examinatâ, ⟨p. 127⟩sincerè, ac coram Deo, in bonâ conscientiâ responsum damus, atque declaramus; Nihil magis nobis in votis esse, quam ut praedictus D. Davenportius cujus insignis eruditio, et singularis pietas ab omnibus fratribus Anglicanis apprime probatur; laudaturque quemque hoc ipso nomine, nec non ob alias virtutes ejus laudabiles, etiam ipsi D. Pageto charissimum esse intelligimus, ad ministerium Ecclesiae Anglicanae praedictae legitime promoveatur. Bonum insuper ipsius Zelum ac studium de parentum ac susccptorum istorum liberorum praeviô aliquô examine privatô in religione Christianâ instituendô, quam maximè quidem nobis probari, de re ipsâ tamen ita nos statuere, ut praedictum illud examen, quantum Ecclesiae Anglicanae ferret aedificatio, instituatur, sed si fortè vel parentes, susceptoresve istud accedere ac subire renuant, vel ob temporis brevitatem, aut alijs justis de causis fieri illud non queat, vel etiam qui accesserint, fratris vel fratrum examinantium judicio non videbuntur, pro isto tempore, satisfacere, ipse infans cujus parents, susceptoresve constat esse Christianos, quique Christianam religionem, ad lectionem liturgiae Sacramenti Baptismi publicè coram Ecclesia profitentur, a Baptismo propterea minime arceatur, aut baptizarì recusetur, sed ut ejusmodi ignorantes parents, susceptoresve, post infantem baptizatum ulterĭus postea, quoad fieri potest, edoceantur;

The Latine copy, word for word. Nos infra-scripti Pastores Ecclesiae Belgicae in civitate Amsteldamensi, a viro Reverendo D. Pageto, fideli pastore in Ecclesiâ Anglicanâ ejusdem civitatis, nec non a venerandis fratribus Senioribus ac Diaconis ejusdem Ecclesiae Anglicanae, specialiter requisiti ac fraternè rogati, ut privatum nostrum judicium in causa vocationis (quae ab universâ Ecclesiâ praedictâ videtur expeti) Reverendi, Clarissimi, Doctissimique viri D. DAVENPORTII sincerè declarare, atque exponere non recusemus, idque in casu illo unico particulari, spectante Baptismum eorum. infantium, qui in Ecclesiâ Anglicanâ baptizandi offeruntur; Re totâ utrinque benè intellectâ, ritè perpensâ, et ad normam Ʋerbi Dei, ordinemque receptum in Ecclesijs Reformatis harum Provinciarum, in quibus praedicta Ecclesia Anglicana sese membrum profiretur sub Classe Amsteldamensi, probè examinatâ,

quoniam, scilicet, infants Christianorum suorum parentum, susceptorumve, vel inscitiam, vel etiam ejusmodi inobedientiam far ac luere non debent. Si quis tamen casus ullus alius obveniat, quo minus infans oblatus baptizandus videatur, ut tum totius presbyterij Anglicani, vel etiam, si necesse fuerit, aut commodè fieri possit, Classis Amsteldamensis judicium interveniat, audiatur, atque in eo acquiescatur. Sic actum, et transactum in aedibus D. Pageti. Die 20. Januarij 1634. Joannes le Mairius. Jacobus Triglandius. Henricus Geldorpius. Rudolphus Petri. Jacobus Laurentius.

quoniam, scilicet, infantes Christianorum suorum parentum, susceptorumve, vel inscitiam, vel etiam ejusmodi inobedientiam ferre ac luere non debent. Si quis tamen casus ullus alius obveniat, quo minus infans oblatus baptizandus videatur, ut tum totius presbyterij Anglicani, vel etiam, si necesse fuerit, aut commodè fieri possit, Classis Amsteldamensis judicium interveniat, audiatur, atque in eo acquiescatur. Sic actum, et transactum in aedibus D. Pageti. Die 20. Ianuarij 1634. Ioannes le Mairius. Iacobus Triglandius. Henricus Geldorpius. Rudolphus Petri. Iacobus Laurentius.