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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
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Secondly, They give not the sole power of Election to the community of the Faithful, but require their consent in the election, by the guidance and direction of their Governors, 1and the Ecclesiastical College, to whom the Government of the Church is committed. They allow not that every small company should do as they please, or stand upon their own bottom; But as the Church is to be governed by common counsel, and consent of the Ecclesiastical College, so the election and choice of the Pastor or Teacher, is to be made by the direction and counsel of the Senate. A Pastor should not be thrust upon the people without their knowledge and approbation, neither should the people proceed therein without direction of the Governors.
Secondly, They give not the sole power of Election to the communitie of the Faithfull, but require their consent in the election, by the guidance and direction of their Governors, 1and the Ecclesiasticall Colledge, to whom the Government of the Church is committed. They allow not that every small companie should doe as they please, or stand upon their owne bottome; But as the Church is to be governed by common counsell, and consent of the Ecclesiasticall Colledge, so the election and choice of the Pastor or Teacher, is to be made by the direction and counsell of the Senate. A Pastor should not be thrust upon the people without their knowledge and approbation, neither should the people proceed therein without direction of the Governours.
- 1See Calvin Epist. 131. & Instit. l. 4. cap. 3. §. 15. T. C. repl. 2. pag. 1. 196.197. Jun. Eccles. 3. p. 1. Non solus judicat, sed praeeunte & moderante Clero & Presbyterio: soret enim proclive labi in illud incommodum, si populus solus eligerit. Non est autem ab •o tantum periculum, ubi conjunctus est Clerus, & actioncan dirigit Presbyterium, praesertim consilio & auctoritate vicinorum Episcoporum ecclesiarumque accedente? Jun. contr. 5. l. 1. ca. 7. not. 24. Aurcolus in 4. Sent. dist. 24. art. 2. ra. 3. ea quae sunt ordi num omnes recipiunt immediate a Christo. Horb. Irenic. l. 2. cap. 11. prop. 13. pag. 179. Itaque potest cuiquam, &c. Fr. de Victor. in rel. de potest. eccle. Q 2. W E. The Church plea. §. 8. pag. 78. A dispute. par. 3. cap. 8. pag. 167. Of him who is obtruded and thrust upon a people without their own election, it is well said by Zanchius, That he can neither exercise his Ministry with a good conscience, nor yet be profitable to the people. See Fulk in Rhem. in