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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Chapter 1 › Section 8 › CAN. Necess. of Separ. Page. 234. › ANSWER.
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The reason which here you bring, is but your own saying, said over many times, and indeed bewrayeth more cunning, 1than reason, truth or Conscience, and (to speak in your phrase) sophistry than sincerity.
The reason which here you bring, is but your owne saying, said over many times, and indeed bewrayeth more cunning, 1than reason, truth or Consciene, and (to speake in your phrase) sophistry than sincerity.
- 1CAN. Stay. §. 2. page 55.
For in plain terms this is your form of arguing; If the Episcopal ordination be not a mere nullity: 1if the ministry of the idle, careless, profane, yea of the learned, godly and painful, be not a mere Idol, then have the Non-conformists just cause to beg pardon of the Prelates: which hangeth together as a rope of sand. The ministry of the Priests, Scribes and Pharisees was true in time of the Old Testament, and in the days of our Saviour Christ: had the Prophets then and our Saviour just cause to beg pardon, because they accused them of ignorance, pride, tyranny, contempt of the truth, oppressions, hypocrisy, as blind guides and ravening Wolves, who spoiled and made havoc of the flocks.
For in plaine termes this is your forme of arguing; If the Episcopall ordination be not a meere nullitie: 1if the ministerie of the idle, carelesse, prophane, yea of the learned, godly and painefull, be not a meere Idol, then have the Non-conformists just cause to begge pardon of the Prelates: which hangeth together as a rope of sand. The ministery of the Priests, Scribes and Pharisees was true in time of the Old Testament, and in the dayes of our Saviour Christ: had the Prophets then and our Saviour just cause to beg pardon, because they accused them of ignorance, pride, tyrannie, contempt of the truth, oppressions, hypocrisie, as blind guides and ravening Wolves, who spoyled and made havocke of the flockes.