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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Your obscure translating of Philosophical Canons, 1I will pass over, as Relata sunt simul natura, which you English thus; Relations in nature are alike: and apply it as strangely. Qualis causa, tale causatum, you translate thus; As is the cause, so that which is caused, of the doing of the thing: Idem qua idem semper facit idem; which you render. As is the same so always follows the same effect: whereby you turn principles or Canons at least into riddles, and it is hard to say, whether your interpretation be more obscure, or misapplication unreasonable (to speak in your language) as vain as ever man made.
Your obscure translating of Philosophicall Canons, 1I will passe over, as Relata sunt simul natura, which you English thus; Relations in nature are alike: and apply it as strangely. Qualis causa, tale causatum, you translate thus; As is the cause, so that which is caused, of the doing of the thing: Idem qua idem semper facit idem; which you render. As is the same so alwayes followes the same effect: whereby you turne principles or Canons at least into riddles, and it is hard to say, whether your interpretation bee more obscure, or misapplication unreasonable (to speake in your language) as vaine as ever man made.
- 1CAN. Stay. Sect. 2. pag 54. CAN. Stay. Sect. 9. pag. 100.
For that which is spoken of causes univocal, necessary and proper at least, that you refer to moral instruments; as if the word preached by wicked instruments might not be effectual, or a man could not hear an ungodly Minister preach the Gospel, but he must partake in his sin.1
For that which is spoken of causes univocall, necessary and proper at least, that you referre to morall instruments; as if the word preached by wicked instruments might not bee effectuall, or a man could not heare an ungodly Minister preach the Gospell, but he must partake in his sin.