A30189:462
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
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and yet you would not, that another should fit in your conscience and judge, that you know it is not the incense made by fire from the Altar of the Lord? Or if you be so presumptuous, sober and well advised men will admit no such conclusions. But here you must remember again, that no method, order, or phrase of speech in prayer, left undetermined of God, can truly be called or esteemed the incense made by fire. Prayer it self, and not the phrase of speech, whether devised by another or by our selves, is resembled thereby.
and yet you would not, that another should fit in your conscience and judge, that you know it is not the incense made by fire from the Altar of the Lord? Or if you be so presumptuous, sober and well advised men will admit no such conclusions. But here you must remember againe, that no methode, order, or phrase of speech in prayer, left undetermined of God, can truely be called or esteemed the incense made by fire. Prayer it selfe, and not the phrase of speech, whether devised by another or by our selves, is resembled thereby.
But the whole form (you say) of the English-Church-service-Book, is borrowed out of the Mass-Book, picked and culled out of the Dunghill, as the Nonconformists write. You add, That not only the form, but the matter also was taken out of the Mass-Book.
But the whole forme (you say) of the English-Church-service-Book, is borrowed out of the Masse-Book, picked and culled out of the Dunghill, as the Nonconformists write. You adde, That not onely the forme, but the matter also was taken out of the Masse-Booke.
It is true, the Nonconformists say, it was in great part picked and culled out of the Mass-book; but it followeth not thence, that either it is, or was esteemed by them a devised or false worship; for many things contained in the Mass-book it self, are good and holy. A Pearl may be found upon a Dunghill; we cannot more credit the man of sin, than to say, that every thing in the Mass-book is devilish and Antichristian.