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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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3. I observe a vast difference between their servants and ours, they had strong power over their servants, Exod. 21.20, 21. I observed in New England, the Indians whom we had taken in war, or others who lived with us sometimes half or a whole year, yet if they could handsomely get away from us they would, and did; we should have done finely to have baptised them; we buy no servants who are English men, or Christians, as you call them, to be under our power as they were. Hence learned Rives saith, there bad ne•de be a great caution lest the Ordinance be profaned, for our servants are not as theirs. 1And lea•ned Chamier speaks very warily upon the question: Servi si fim verè servi quales olim, non diffitear•nam Abrahamo legimus imperatum ut circumcideret suos omnes servos, sed quales hodià not serves babem•• ut plurimum quia verè liberi suns, non putem sic tractandus, non cor quidem qui jure belli fiunt subditi principibus, nam hoc genus subditorum tamen liberum manet: De natu ergo ex parentibus insidelibus liberis, si consentiant parents, distinguendum putem: Consentiunt enim vel ip•i facti fideles, ac tune nulla difficultas, &c. vel perseverates in infidelitate, ac tum non putem baptizandor, &c. For those who are ••rè servi which it seems we have none, but if we had such, should we baptise them being adulti before they be taught the Covenant, and see if they will own it? Teach and Baptize; for Infants, I think we never buy such servants.
3. I observe a vast difference betweene their servants and ours, they had strong power over their servants, Exod. 21.20, 21. I observed in New England, the Indians whom we had taken in warre, or others who lived with us sometimes halfe or a whole yeare, yet if they could handsomly get away from us they would, and did; we should have done finely to have baptised them; we buy no servants who are English men, or Christians, as you call them, to be under our power as they were. Hence learned Rives saith, there bad nede be a great caution lest the Ordinance be prophaned, for our servants are not as theirs.