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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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You answer, The consequence is unsound, and the proof like it [you are very nimble methinks, but why so unsound?] for when he was first admitted upon his profession, no such scandal appeared, but now it doth, there he is not the same that he was, when admitted.
You answer, The consequence is unsound, and the proofe like it [you are very nimble methinks, but why so unsound?] for when he was first admitted upon his profession, no such scandall appeared, but now it doth, there he is not the same that he was, when admitted.
To this I say, by profession you either mean such a profession, as you have mentioned above in this page, as I think you do, and so you speak not ad idem; or if you mean such a profession as the question stared mentions, then Sir it is not so, for either gross ignorance, or scandal did appear, unless you mean that just at that time when he came to you and told you he did believe in Christ, be did not manifest any scand •ll to you; was not drunk, or did not swear, or show uncleanness, &c. just a• that time: for so those who come to require Baptism for their children, do not come drunk, or swear. &c. in that very instant time, but before they cameth y would, and when the child is baptised, can swear, &c. and its well if divers be not drunk, if they have boon companions to join with; some have been little better. So that for all your hast, the Argument is sound enough, but so is no• your Answer.
To this I say, by profession you either meane such a profession, as you have mentioned above in this page, as I thinke you doe, and so you speake not ad idem; or if you meane such a profession as the question stared mentions, then Sir it is not so, for either grosse ignora•ce, or scandall did appeare, unlesse you meane that just at that time when he came to you and told you he did believe in Christ, be did not manifest any scand ll to you; was not drunke, or did not sweare, or shew uncleannesse, &c. just a that time: for so those who come to require Baptisme for their children, doe not come drunk, or sweare. &c. in that very instant time, but before they cameth y would, and when the child is baptised, can sweare, &c. and its well if divers be not drunk, if they have boone companions to joyne with; some have been little better. So that for all your hast, the Argument is sound enought, but so is no your Answer.