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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
A Rebel opposing Christ in his visible Kingdom is not fit to be a Member of it, because no subject.
A Rebell opposing Christ in his visible Kingdome is not fit to be a Member of it, because no subject.
You answer, be is not fit to be admitted if no Member before: Sir, what is the Q. whether is such a bare profession, &c. fit to make, &c. to make a Member? then this is not sit your pen hath affirmed: but then the Argument is not very weak, but very strong to prove one part of the question, your self acknowledge it in your first words, and so you have done before, p. 16. [but say you, he is fit to be continued till trial of Reformation be past:] Sir you said above in this page, that a bare profession with the mouth that he believes in Jesus Christ, though visibly he lives like an Infidel, is not sufficient to qualify a man to be made or continued a Member. The question speaks of such a bare profession; if you will say a moral conversation, though grossly ignorant, will serve the turn, there hath been as good, and now are among Infidels, ⟨p. 45⟩and those who do profess Christ, for drunkenness, swearing, &c. uncleanness, lying, stealing, disobedience to parents, when grown up, &c. are as bad and worse then Infidels, Indians will shame them, so that the sufficiency of his profession is not that which doth continue him a Church member, but the Churches continuance, or impotency if the Church went about to reform and could not, as in the time of the Hierarchy; if it be the sufficiency of his profession keeps him in, for ought I know you may let him alone when power is in your hand to cast him out.
You answer, be is not fit to be admitted if no Member before: Sir, what is the Q. whether is such a bare profession, &c. fit to make, &c. to make a Member? then this is not sit your pen hath affirmed: but then the Argument is not very weake, but very strong to prove one part of the question, your selfe acknowledge it in your first words, and so you have done before, p. 16. [but say you, he is fit to be continued till tryall of Reformation be past:] Sir you said above in this page, that a bare profession with the mouth that he believes in Jesus Christ, though visibly he lives like an Infidell, is not sufficient to qualifie a man to be made or continued a Member. The question speaks of such a bare profession; if you will say a moral conversation, though grosly ignorant, will sarve the turne, there hath beene as good, and now are among Infidels,