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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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For the consequence, if it be said, there is more required in one who is a Member, he must first be cast out: this takes not off the force of the Argument, the person is sinfully tolerated, as well at first sinfully admitted; as he might have been and should have been denied admission, and so the Ordinance had been saved, so this person may and ought to be dealt with (there being now power in the hands of Ministers) so the Ordinance is saved, sinful admission caused the Ordinance at first to be profaned, sinful toleration cause it now to be profaned.
For the consequence, if it be said, there is more required in one who is a Member, he must first be cast out: this takes not off the force of the Argument, the person is sinfully tolerated, as well at first sinfully admitted; as he might have beene and should have beene denyed admission, and so the Ordinance had been saved, so this person may and ought to be dealt with (there being now power in the hands of Ministers) so the Ordinance is saved, sinfull admission caused the Ordinance at first to be prophaned, sinfull toleration cause it now to be prophaned.
If you would turn me off here (as you do afterward) by telling me the Argument should proceed of the same person, which it doth not, the Child and the Parent are different persons. Sir, this will not serve the turn, my Argument proceeds upon one and the same Title, the Parents Title is the Child's Title, the Child hath no other Title, nor pleads any other but the Parents Title, the Parent expresses his Title for himself, and his Child being a branch of that stock; if the child pleaded a Title distinct from the Parents, as a Title of its own, then my Argument were fallacious [as I shall charge you anon] but if the child could speak, it could plead only this, my Parent is within the Covenant, the Covenant is made with the Believing Parent, and his or her seed; Therefore give me the Scale: by virtue of him, or her it is made with me.
If you would turne me off here (as you doe afterward) by telling me the Argument should proceed of the same person, which it doth not, the Child and the Parent are different persons. Sir, this will not serve the turne, my Argument proceeds upon one and the same Title, the Parents Title is the Childs Title, the Child hath no other Title, nor pleads any other but the Parents Title, the Parent expresses his Title for himselfe, and his Child being a branch of that stock; if the child pleaded a Title distinct from the Parents, as a Title of its own, then my Argument were fallacious [as I shall charge you anon] but if the child could speake, it could plead only this, my Parent is within the Covenant, the Covenant is made with the Believing Parent, and his or her seed; Therefore give me the Scale: by vertue of him, or her it is made with me.