A treatise of miscellany questions wherein many useful questions and cases of conscience are…A treatise of miscellany questions wherein many usefull questions and cases of conscience are…

Mr. Herle the reverend and learned prolocutor of the Assembly of divines at Westminster in his treatise, entitled, The independency on Scriptures, of the independency of the Churches, pag: 3. While he stateth the question, saith, We acknowledge that the Pastors and other officers were anciently, and it is to be wished they still were chosen (at least) consented to by the members of each respective Congregation: But that they are to be ordained, deposed, or excommunicated by the Presbytery, &c. Moreover they of the Separation, and if not all, yet (sure) some Independents place the whole essentiality of a calling in Election, accounting ordination to be no more but the solemnization of the calling. We say, [Greek or Hebrew] or the missio potestativa, or the power and commission given to a man, by which he is made of no Minister to be a Minister, is not from the Churches electing ⟨p. 26⟩him, but from the lawful ordaining him: And that Election doth but design such a person to the Ministry of such a Church. For as Gamachaeus sayeth in tertiam partem Thomae do Sacr: ordin: cap: 7. the people cannot give spiritual authority which themselves have not: Et quamvis fateamur, saith he, Laicos saepissime vocatos ad electionem Ministrorum Ecclesiae, tamen longe est aliud loqui de ordinatione, quam de electione, &c.

Mr. Herle the reverend and learned prolocutor of the Assembly of divines at Westminster in his treatise, intituled, The independency on Scriptures, of the independency of the Churches, pag: 3. While he stateth the question, saith, We acknowledge that the Pastors and other officers were ancientlie, and it is to be wished they still were chosen (at least) consented to by the members of each respective Congregation: But that they are to bee ordained, d•posed, or excommunicated by the Presbyterie, &c. Moreover they of the Separation, and if not all, yet (sure) some Independents place the whole essentiality of a calling in Election, accompting ordination to be no more but the solemnization of the calling. We say, 〈non-Latin alphabet〉 or the missio potestativa, or the power and commission given to a man, by which hee is made of no Minister to be a Minister, is not from the Churches electing ⟨p. 26⟩him, but from the lawfull ordaining him: And that Election doth but designe such a person to the Ministery of such a Church. For as Gamachaeus sayeth in tertiam partem Thomae do Sacr: ordin: cap: 7. the people cannot give spirituall authority which themselves have not: Et quamvis fateamur, saith hee, Laicos saepissime vocatos ad electionem Ministrorum Ecclesiae, tamen longe est aliud loqui de ordinatione, quam de electione, &c.