An account of a disputation at Oxford, anno dom. 1554 with A treatise of…

Now because these two Answers have been of late so confuted and confounded that they will take no place, therefore some which have written since that time have forged two other Answers, even of the same mould. The former whereof is,—That Origen in this place spake not of the Sacramental Bread or Wine of the Lords Table, but of other Mystical Meat, of the which St. Augustin maketh mention to be given to them that were taught the Faith before they were Baptized. But Origens own words in two Sentences before rehearsed, being put together, prove this Answer untrue: For he saith, that he meaneth of that Figurative and Mystical Body which profiteth them that do receive it worthily; alluding so plainly unto St. Pauls words spoken of the Lords Supper, that it is a shame for any Learned Man to open his mouth to the contrary. And that Bread which St. Augustin speaketh of, he cannot prove that any such thing was used in Origens time; yea, and though that could be proved, yet was there never Bread in any time ⟨p. 28⟩called a Sacramental Body, saving the Sacramental Bread of the Lords Table, which is called of Origen the Typical and Symbolical Body of Christ.—The second of the two new found Answers is yet most monstrous of all others, which is this—Let us grant, say they, that Origen spake of the Lords Supper, and that by the matter thereof was understood the Material Substance of Bread and Wine; What then, say they, for tho the Material substance was once gone and departed by reason of Transubstantiation whilst the form of Bread and Wine did remain, yet now it is no Inconvenience to say, that as the Material substance did depart at the entering in of Christs Body, under the foresaid forms, so when the said forms be destroyed, and do not remain, then cometh again the substance of Bread and Wine: and this, say they, is very meet in this Mystery, that That which began with Miracle shall end with a Miracle.—But this Fancy lacketh all ground either of Gods Word, Reason, or any Ancient Writer, and clean contrary to the common Rules of School Divinity, which are, that no Miracle is to be affirmed and put without Necessity: And although' for their former Miracle they have some ground, although' it be but vain, yet to make this second Miracle of returning of the Material Bread again, they have no colour at all;

Now because these two Answers have been of late so confuted and confounded that they will take no place, therefore some which have written since that time have forged two other Answers, even of the same mould. The former whereof is,—That Origen in this place spake not of the Sacramental Bread or Wine of the Lords Table, but of other Mystical Meat, of the which St. Augustin maketh mention to be given to them that were taught the Faith before they were Baptized. But Origens own words in two Sentences before rehersed, being put together, prove this Answer untrue: For he saith, that he meaneth of that Figurative and Mystical Body which profiteth them that do receive it worthily; alluding so plainly unto St. Pauls words spoken of the Lords Supper, that it is a shame for any Learned Man to open his mouth to the contrary. And that Bread which St. Augustin speaketh of, he cannot prove that any such thing was used in Origens time; yea, and though that could be proved, yet was there never Bread in any time