A69535:419
The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by…
The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by His Sacred Majesty as commissioners for the review and alteration of the Book of common prayer, &c. : being an exact account of their whole proceedings : the most perfect copy.
London printed : s.n., 1661
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Reply. We have given you reason enough against the imposition of the usual Ceremonies; and would you draw forth those absolute ones to increase the burden?
Sect. 3. Lords Pr. [Deliver us from evil. These words, For thine is the Kingdom, &c. are not in S. Luke, nor in the ancient Copies of St. Matth. never mentioned in the ancient Comments, nor used in the Latin Church, and therefore questioned whether they be part of the Gospel: there is no reason that they should be always used.]
Sect. 3. Lords Pr. [Deliver us from evil. These words, For thine is the Kingdom, &c. are not in S. Luke, nor in the antient Copies of St. Matth. never mentioned in the antient Comments, nor used in the Latin Church, and therefore questioned whether they be part of the Gospel: there is no reason that they should be alwayes used.]
Reply. We shall not be so over-credulous as to believe you, that these words are not in the ancient Copies: It is enough that we believe that some few ancient Copies have them not; but that the most (even the generality ⟨p. 119⟩except those few) have them. The judgement of our English Translators, and almost all other Translators of Matth. and of the reverend B of Chester, among your selves, putting the Copy that hath it in his Bible, (as that which is most received, and approved by the Church) do show on which side is the chief authority: if the few copies that want it had been thought more authentic and credible, the Church of England and most other Churches would not have preferred the copies that have this doxology. And why will you in this contradict the later judgement of the Church, expressed in the translation allowed and imposed? The Syriac, Ethiopic, and Persian translations also have it: and if the Syriac be as ancient as you your selves even now asserted, then the antiquity of doxology is there evident: and it is not altogether to be neglected, which by Chemnitius and others is conjectured, that Pauls words in Tim. 4. 18. were spoken as in reference to this Doxology. And as Pareus and other Protestants conclude, it is more probable the Latrines neglected, than that the Greeks inserted of their own heads this sentence. The Socinians and Arians have as fair pretence for their exception a ainst