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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. He erred in a matter of fact and faith both. For he did not only deprive and unordeine them who were ordained by Formosus: but he 2decreed too, (as Sigebert withal noteth) that all the ordeinings of Formosus ought to be void. Wherein he did follow the error of the Donatists: ⟨p. 427⟩iwho (as if the sacrament had his force from men that are the ministers of it, not from God, the author;) thought them not well baptized who were baptized by evil ministers, and so baptized them again. Yea, that very fact of Stephens is reproved therefore by kLuitprandus, (a grave and learned writer that lived about the same time,) though *mistaking his name, yet judging of the thing rightly. For after the rehearsal thereof, that depriving all them of their degree who were ordained by Formosus, he did ordain them again: which thing (saith Luitprandus) how wickedly he did you may perceive by this, that even they who received grace or Apostolic blessing of Judas the betrayer of Christ before he betrayed him, were not deprived of it after he had betrayed him and hanged himself. For the blessing which is bestowed on the servants of Christ, is not poured on them by that Priest which is seen, but by that Priest which is not seen. For neither he that planteth is any thing nor he that watereth, but God that giveth the increase. So manifestly carried the fact of Pope Stephen a savour of Donatism, that is, of a notorious error in faith: though he had not approved it by his decree. Much more sith he decreed the thing as true and lawful.
Rainoldes. He erred in a matter of fact and faith both. For he did not onely depriue and vnordeine them who were ordeined by Formosus: but he 2decreed too, (as Sigebert withall noteth) that all the ordeinings of Formosus ought to bee voide. Wherein he did folow the errour of the Donatists: ⟨p. 427⟩