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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Cusanus, when he wrote these things, was not Cardinal: neither doth he affirm it, but saith, [peradventure:] and he mentioneth the epistles of Clemens and Anacletus only, not of all.
Hart. Cusanus, when he wrote these thinges, was not Cardinall: neither doth he affirme it, but saith, [peraduenture:] and he mentioneth the epistles of Clemens and Anacletus onely, not of all.
Rainoldes. But his reasons, of the contents and witnesses, do touch them all: as doth his drift also. Nor saith he [peradventure] of doubting▪ but of modesty: for he addeth farther that 1things a great number do prove it manifestly. And though he were not Cardinal then, yet he was Doctor of the Canon law, and Dean of a Cathedral Church, and fit to be made Cardinal within a few years after. Neither spake he of hatred to the See of Rome, which he calleth the divine, 2the most excellent in all praise, yea most superexcellent, the first, the chief See; and saith that she needeth not to help her self with these doubtful arguments, which are drawn out of those epistles and put in the decrees of Gratian. But if he were not Cardinal when he gave that judgement: yet Bellarmin was Jesuit when he confirmed it. For when he read at Rome of the Popes supremacy, and came to that argument of these ⟨p. 523⟩epistles of the Popes: he said that Father Turrian a learned man had defended them to be their own, but he thought the contrary opinion to be truer.
Rainoldes. But his reasons, of the contents and witnesses, do touch them all: as doth his drift also. Nor saith he [peraduenture] of douting▪ but of modestie: for he addeth farther that