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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. As the Speaker? No. But as the Prince rather.
Rainoldes. Yea, I say to you, and more then the Prince. For as things in Parliament cannot be enacted without the Princes consent: so neither can the Prince make acts without consent of the Lords and Commons. And when they are made by consent of them all▪ they cannot be repealed by the Prince alone, without the like consent by which they were made. But with the Pope it is not so. For such is the power of his Princely prerogative, that not only Councils may not make decrees for the Church-government without his consent: but he may also make decrees without them, as good as they with him. Yea, that he may add too, and take from, and alter what he shall think good in the decrees of Councils▪ and set them out for theirs, eas Pope Clemens played with the Council of Vienna. Yea, that being made with their consent and his both: *he may break them when he will, and repeal them, if he list, for no law doth hold him. Now, sith that the power which you give the Pope by the name of supreme head, you give it Peter too, from whom you fetch the Popes conveyance; and Peter in the assemblies of the Apostles, was but as the Speaker, and therefore not as the Prince, and therefore not as more then the Prince in our Parliament: hereof I conclude, that Peter was not the supreme head of the Apostles. And so have you the third point, fwhich I promised to prove, that if somewhat more were given to Peter than to the rest of the Apostles, yet was it not so much as should make him their supreme head. You may discharge now the Acts of the Apostles, out of your Camp. For, draw what reasons thence you list, you shall find them (as I told you) no stronger than the former.
Rainoldes. Yea, I say to you, and more then the Prince. For as thinges in Parlament cannot bee enacted without the Princes consent: so neither can the Prince make actes without consent of the Lordes and Commons. And when they are made by consent of them all they cannot be repealed by the Prince alone, without the like consent by which they were made. But with the Pope it is not so. For such is the power of his Princely prerogatiue, that not onely Councels may not make decrées for the Church-gouernment without his consent: but hee may also make decrées without them, as good as they with him. Yea, that he may adde too, and take from, and alter what hee shall thinke good in the decrées of Councels and set them out for theirs,