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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. This testimony of Chrysostom doth stand on two branches: the one, what Peter doth, as the Scripture showeth; the other, what he might have done, as Chrysostom supposeth. That which Peter doth, is granted. But it proveth not the supremacy. He remembereth his duty; he speaketh first of all; he doth all things by the common advise and judgement of the Disciples, and nothing by his own authority. Thus much I said of Peter, and did explain it out of Duaren. ⟨p. 157⟩In Duaren you thought that it made against you, and therefore refused him. Doth it make for you, when it is in Chrysostom, that you bring him against Duaren? Or, is this the reason, why you accept the one and refuse the other, because the words of Chrysostom yielding a certain primacy to Peter, may deceive the simple, as though he meant that primacy which you call the supremacy: but the words of Duaren put so plain a difference between the two primacies, that, which Peter had; and the other which the Pope hath, or would have; that a blind man may see that Peters primacy was not a Popes supremacy. Which shall appear zfarther (if God will) by those things, that the Fathers speak touching Peters primacy. And thus your proof faileth in that which the scripture showeth that Peter doth. Now that, which Peter might have done, as Chrysostom supposeth, would infer a greater primacy then Peter had, if it were true. But the scripture saith it not. Wherefore as the aFathers report one of an other, (by byour own confession) that they write some things [Greek or Hebrew], to confute the adversaries with whom they had to deal, & in these they err sometimes and gather amiss: likewise may I say that they write some things, [Greek or Hebrew], to praise the Saints of God, and stir up others to their virtue, *wherein if their words should be rigorously sifted, the truth is sometimes overlashed. So cChrysostom (in the other place which you allege out of the Acts) to commend the mildness and wisdom of James, who left the sharper speeches to be used of Peter, and used himself the gentler, doth speak of him as being above Peter in power: and here to commend the modesty of Peter, because that he did all things by the common advise and judgement of his brethren, he saith (by the way of amplification) that Peter might himself have chosen an Apostle, which yet he did not.