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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Will you grant all that, which I alleged out of the Fathers? then will you grant that Protestants are in an error: and the truth is ours. For they avouch plainly the primacy of Peter, and call him, the mouth, the prince, the top of the Apostles.
Hart. Will you graunt all that, which I alleaged out of the Fathers? then will you grant that Protestants are in an error: and the truth is ours. For they auouch plainely the primacie of Peter, and call him, the mouth, the prince, the toppe of the Apostles.
Rainoldes. Alas, you were agreed (me thought) to go through with the scripture first, & afterward come to the Fathers. I wise they will give you small cause of triumphing over the Protestants, when you shall bring their forces out into the field, and see with whom they join, with you, or with us. But of the rest then. Now I grant you so much, as doth concern the point, for proof whereof you cited them: namely, that Paul went to see Peter for a reverent respect and honour of his person. But I deny the argument, which you infer thereof, that Peter had therefore a singular power, whereby you mean the supremacy. You should have laid the Fathers (if you would needs bestow them) on this which is denied, not on that which is granted. But this is the world. Men will rather give to the rich, who need not, then to the poor who need.
Rainoldes. Alas, you were agreed (me thought) to go through with the scripture first, & afterward come to the Fathers. I wisse they will giue you small cause of triumphing ouer the Protestants, when you shall bring their forces out into the field, and see with whom they ioine, with you, or with vs. But of the rest then. Now I graunt you so much, as doth concerne the point, for proofe whereof you cited them: namely, that Paule went to see Peter for a reuerent respect and honor of his person. But I deny the argument, which you inferre thereof, that Peter had therefore a singular power, whereby you meane the supremacie. You should haue laid the Fathers (if you would néedes bestow them) on this which is denied, not on that which is graunted. But this is the world. Men will rather giue to the rich, who need not, then to the poore who need.