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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. I would fain triumph, not over you, but over your errors, if I could. The strength of my cause and valour of my proofs maketh me the cheerfuller in dealing with the dastards, which you set against them. My former words, of the Apostles as being equal in power, agree well with these of Peter and Paul. For I say not, that Paul was above Peter, but that he might have been above him in power, for all the honour which he gave him. And this is sufficient to overthrow your reason. But if my example of the Pope and Emperor did cause you to mistake me: you may take an other and fitter for the purpose, the College Apostolic, as qthe Pope doth call them, I mean the Cardinals of Rome. Who, though they be in states, orders, and livings, one above an other: ryet 1in all things, and with all courtesies they all give hie reverence one unto an other. And when any of them doth come into the ⟨p. 170⟩chapel of the Popes holiness to say his devotions, he turneth towards the Cardinals of his own order, and goeth not directly to his own place, unless he be the lowest: but beginning at the lowest, 2as though he would abide there, he is desired & entreated of every one to go higher, until he come directly to his own place, unless he be the lowest: & himself 3(demurely, once, & again) desireth him, who is next unto him, that he will go before him; & 4at length he sitteth down in his place. This is a foul trouble to make so much ado at the coming in of every Cardinal to prayers: chiefly, when prayers are begun. Yet to show how modestly they think of themselves, and how they honour one an other, 5every one (that cometh after others) doth it, whither the Pope be there or no. Out of doubt, Cardinals, men of such wisdom, would not commit this folly, if every one whom they honour must be above them in power. But you deal injuriously with me, to say, that you framed your reason out of the scriptures and Fathers, and I bring the book of Ceremonies to kill it. For neither did you ground upon the words of scripture, but only on a circumstance observed by the Fathers, that Paul went to Peter of reverence to honour him: and I slew the reason (which you made thereof) with the sword of scriptures; I used the book of Ceremonies, but as an Irish Lackey, to cut off a dead mans head.