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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. The place, which I alleged, doth plainly speak of the high Priest: and so it doth serve my purpose more fitly, then this, which doth not touch him. Howbeit, as learned men, when they have proved a point by stronger arguments, are wont to set it forth with flourishes of lighter reasons, rather to polish it as it were, then to work it and frame it: so the Pope having brought better evidence for proof of his supremacy, doth trim it up with this of Genesis, as you would say, by an allusion.
Hart. The place, which I alleaged, doth plainely speake of the high Priest: and so it doth serue my purpose more fitly, then this, which doth not touch him. Howbeit, as learned men, when they haue proued a point by stronger arguments, are wont to set it foorth with floorishes of lighter reasons, rather to polishe it as it were, then to worke it and frame it: so the Pope hauing brought better euidence for proofe of his supremacie, doth trimme it vp with this of Genesis, as you would say, by an allusion.
Rainoldes. An illusion, you should say. But the places both, as well this of Genesis, as that of Deuteronomy, are taken in a mystical sense of your own: so that to win a matter which must be won by sound proof, they are both of like force, because that neither is of any. For the literal sense of that in Deuteronomy doth concern the Jews: to whom the Lord spake it by his servant Moses. Now, how dangerous it is to build, as upon scripture, things, which are not grounded upon the literal sense thereof: we may learn by the mystical sense of that place, which a Pope giveth; and no common Pope, but Innocentius the third, the Father of the Lateran-council, in which your popish Shrift and Transubstantiation were enacted first. He, in a decretal (which is enrolled in the hcanon law, as a rule of the government of the Church for ever) doth bring forth that same place of Deuteronomy, to prove that the Pope may exercise temporal jurisdiction not only in his own dominion, but in other countries too, on certain causes. And, *