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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. This I will grant you. But you must grant me also, that look what is given to him, amongst the Priests, in matters of the Lord, that is, in ecclesiastical: the same, amongst the judges, is given to Zebadias in matters of the king, that is in ⟨p. 252⟩civil causes. For, Jehoshaphat doth say as well the one, as the other. So that (to come now to the later point of your lame similitude,) if Christians must have a sovereign Bishop over all, because the Jews had one chief Priest ▪ then Christians must have a sovereign Prince over all, because the Jews had one chief judge. And as all harder causes, at least of religion must be referred to the Pope: so all of civill matters must be referred to the Emperor. And as, amongst the Jews, the Priest and judge were resident in the place which the Lord had chosen: so the Pope and the Emperor must both abide in Rome. Which uPope Paul the third did fear that Emperor Charles the fifth would have done. But he sent for the French men to keep him out. If Gregory (that now is Pope) be better minded, and will resign his civill State unto the Emperor with the Palace of Vatican, and Castle of Saint Angelo: then may the reason, which you ground upon the law in Deuteronomy, serve you with greater show. Howbeit, even in that case it would rather further the Emperor then the Pope: because it mentioneth the judge, as one; the Priests, as many.
Rainoldes. This I will graunt you. But you must graunt me also, that looke what is giuen to him, amongst the Priestes, in matters of the Lord, yt is, in ecclesiastical: the same, amongst the iudges, is giuen to Zebadias in matters of the king, that is in ⟨p. 252⟩ciuil causes. For, Iosaphat doth say as well the one, as the other. So that (to come now to the later point of your lame similitude,) if Christians must haue a soueraine Bishop ouer all, because the Iewes had one chiefe Priest ▪ then Christians must haue a soueraine Prince ouer all, because the Iewes had one chiefe iudge. And as all harder causes, at least of religion must be referred to the Pope: so all of ciuill matters must be referred to the Emperour. And as, amongst the Iewes, the Priest and iudge were resident in the place which the Lord had chosen: so the Pope and the Emperour must both abide in Rome. Which