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The Common Places
The common places of the most famous and renowned divine Doctor Peter Martyr divided into four principal parts: with a large addition of many theological and necessary discourses, some never extant before. Translated and partly gathered by Anthony Marten, one of the sewers of her Majesties most honourable chamber.The common places of the most famous and renowmed diuine Doctor Peter Martyr diuided into foure principall parts: with a large addition of manie theologicall and necessarie discourses, some neuer extant before. Translated and partlie gathered by Anthonie Marten, one of the sewers of hir Maiesties most honourable chamber.
Imprinted at London : In Pater noster Rowe, by Henry Denham and Henry Middleton at the costs and charges of Henry Denham, Thomas Chard, William Broome, and Andrew Maunsell, 1583Imprinted at London : In Pater noster Rovve, by Henry Denham and Henry Middleton at the costs and charges of Henrie Denham, Thomas Chard, VVilliam Broome, and Andrew Maunsell, 1583
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17 Albeit that between proceeding and generation it is hard to put a difference, 1and that Augustine in the place now alleged, granteth, that he perceived not the difference: yet he said, that this he knew; namely, that whatsoever thing groweth, doth also proceed: but he saith not on the other side, that whatsoever things proceed, are also sprung forth. Howbeit, we cannot properly express the difference. Wherefore the holy Ghost is not said, 2either to be begotten, or unbegotten, least by saying unbegotten, we might seem to affirm him to be the father; or by affirming him to be begotten, we may seem to call him the son. This we have out of Augustine in his third tome, at the beginning of the small questions gathered out of the book De trinitate. Adde withal, that if the holy Ghost should be said to be begotten, then in the trinity we should appoint two sons, & two fathers. For, seeing the holy Ghost is as well of the father, as of the son, he should have them both to be his fathers, if it might be said that he is begotten of them: yea, and if the matter be well considered, he might (I say) be ⟨p. 108⟩called both the son and sons son of one and the self-same Father. For in affirming him to be begotten of the Father, he should be called his Son; but inasmuch as it should be said, that he is borne of the Son, he should be nephew unto the Father: which things be absurd, and wholly strange from the scriptures. 3Yea and further, to say that the holy Ghost is begotten, the words of the scripture are against it, which very often do call the Son, The only begotten: whereof it followeth, that the holy Ghost is not begotten.
17 Albeit that betwéene procéeding and generation it is hard to put a difference, 1and that Augustine in the place now alledged, granteth, that he perceiued not the difference: yet he said, that this he knew; namelie, that whatsoeuer thing groweth, doth also procéed: but he saith not on the other side, that whatsoeur things procéed, are also sproong foorth. Howbeit, we cannot properlie expresse the difference. Wherfore the holie Ghost is not said,