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Unto M. Doctor / asking where it appeareth that pope Eugenius brought in prisons into the church / as also unto three or four such like demands which he maketh in this book / the authors of the Admonition answer at once / that ⟨p. 213⟩this and the other are sound in Pantaleon and M. Bales Chronicles. Here I will take in that / which the bishop of Salisbury hath in the last page of his half sheet touching this matter.

Vnto M. Doctor / asking where it appeareth that pope Eugenius brought in prysons into the church / as also vnto three or foure such like demaunds which hee maketh in thys booke / the authors of the Admonition answeare at once / that ⟨p. 213⟩thys and the other are sounde in Pantaleon and M. Bales Chronicles. Heere I will take in that / whych the byshop of Salesbury hath in the last page of hys halfe sheete touching thys matter.

And first of all I well agree / that he saith / that to give unto satan (which is to excommunicate / and to correct an Ecclesiastical person by reprehension / or putting him out of the ministry / if the case so require) is mere ecclesiastical / and not civill / and that those things ought to be done of the officers of the church. This only I deny / that the ministers ought to meddle with civill offices. For proof whereof / the B. allegeth the example of Augustine / which as Possidonius writeth / was troubled with the hearing & determining of causes. Wherein Possidonius sayeth nothing / but that I willingly agree unto. For the minister with the elders / ought both to hear / and determine of causes / but of such causes / as pertain unto their knowledge / whereof I have spoken before. And that Possidonius meant such causes as belonged unto Augustin / as he was a minister / and not of civill affairs / it appeareth by that which he writeth immediately after / where he saith. Being also consulted of / by certain in their worldly affairs / he wrote epistles to divers / but he accounted of this / as of compulsion / and restraint from his better businesses: whereby it appeareth / that S. Augustine meddled not with those worldly affairs / further / then by way of giving counsel / which is not unlawful for a minister to do / as one friend unto an other / so that his ministry be not thereby hindered. And for the truth of this matter / that ministers ought not to meddle with civill affairs / I will appeal to no other / then to the bishop him self / who doth affirm plainly the same / that the