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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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And consequently it should follow / that any controversy rising in the church off England / may be determined at Rome being a part off Europe / as at the place (by his answer) where the cause rose.
And consequently yt should follow / that any controuersy rising in the churche off Englande / may be determined at Rome being a parte off Europe / as at the place (by his answer) where the cause rose.
Where he saith / there is no Province with us where both the accusers, and witnesses may not be brought: I grant / if they come and leave their business at home: if they die not by the way: if the parties be able to bear their charges. And with thes conditions they may be brought further. And by this exposition off the Ans. the trial made in passing the seas / which the council off Afric after forbade / may be a great deal more commodious / then the archbishops. For they which dwell by the seaside / may both with more ease / and less charges have end of their matters in Calais / Deep / Ireland / and Flanders / then at Canterbury. Yea the trial from Carthage unto Rome / is much easier: seeing there was but three days journey between Rome / and Carthage. As appeareth by that Cato / to induce the Senate of Rome to destroy Carthage: held out a fig saying, that was but the third day, sithens that fig grew in Carthage. Therefore Cyprian's argument (by his interpretation) 1is not worth a shoe buckle / to prove that they ought not to fly from Carthage to Rome the passage being easter / then from one end of a Province to an other. Especially making such ⟨p. DLIII⟩large Provinces as he doth: that is / one to contain 160. bishoprics, 2belike such as ours. Where he saith / this reason may serve as well againest Westminster hall: leaving that as impertinent unto this question / it shall be sufficient to answer / that besides that there be many causes ended in lower courts / holden almost in every village: he ought to understand / that ecclesiastical causes are to be handled with greater speed then civill: matters of conscience / more then of the purse: the title of heavenly inheritance / more then the earthly: of the life to come / then of this. So that although the trial of civill causes for the whole realm / were (as he saith) necessary a Westminster: yet the same reason will not stand in ecclesiastical.