A18080:1049
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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For that off M. Nowell pag. 33. beside that whatsoever he speaketh there / is not upon this place of Cyprian / but of an other: I have showed in the former book / that chief Prelate is not always used for a bishop. And that it is not altogether unlike but M. Nowell might mean so / appeareth by that the D. citeth out off the 62. and 63. pag. where he taketh chief priest and bishop, for the same. Howbeit because the author him self is alive / and knoweth best what he meaneth: I am well content the meaning off his words be such / as him self shall best like off. Out off M, Fox he can not find so much as a fig leaf / and therefore telleth us how he saith, Rome was a patriarchal church, and therefore not unlike but Carthage was also: how by a diocese is meant a Province, ⟨p. DLVI⟩and forsomuch as he allowed an archbishop, it is like he expounded Cyprian's place of an archbishop. The only rehearsal is too long a confutation. In the end are recited at large the words of M. Philpot. which attributing unto Cyprian a diocese / declareth that he esteemed him a bishop / not an archbishop. For that he calleth him the Novatians chief Bishop: it is far from the estate of an archbishop. He might well call him so in respect of his singular learning / and piety: or in that he was bishop off the chiefest place in Afrik. And the same may be said off Cornelius being Patriarch. For otherwise in authority he could not be: seeing him self confesseth / that patriarchs were appointed at the council off Nice / about 150. years after. Albeit the truth is / that the appointment of those 4. patriarchal seats / was not by the Council off Nice / but off Calcedon. Nether doth it follow that if Cornelius were a Patriarch / therefore he was Prince off many bishops: onles he will say that because aTertullian calleth Philosophers Patriarchs off Heretics, and bJerome Tacianus, the Patriarch of Encratites: therefore Philosophers / and Tacianus bore dominion over the Heretics / or Encratites. He might be so called in that he was chief father of the church off Rome / where he executed his office: as cJerome witnesseth off the Jews Rabbins to have been called Patriarchs: yet they had no government / or rule / but in the several Synagogues where they taught.