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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Athanasius followeth: on whom the D. would fasten this archbishopric: first / because Ischaras submitted him self unto him by letters. As if every one which hath offended an other / doth by his submission acknowledge him an archbishop / whom he hath offended: and as if Ischaras ought not to have done as much unto any bishop in the Province / if he had belonged unto his parish / as he did unto that of Athanasius. Secondly because Arsenius, and those off his diocese, wrote letters off submission unto Athanasius. The print off the diocese is so deeply set in the D. head / that what soever he meeteth with / he turneth into it. For there is there no mention off diocese / but off a city. As for the submission he maketh / it is not to Athanasius / but unto the ecclesiastical ⟨p. DLXIIII⟩canons: only he acknowledgeth him Metropolitan / and that without his sentence he will make no Ecclesiastical decree pertaining unto the church: which we deny not. For we confess 1that there were then Metropolitans. and as Arsenius could not make any decree to wching the whole church in the province: no more could Athanasius without Arsenius: as hath been before out off the former book declared. But that he was subject unto Athanasius, there is not a word: the clean contrary is to be plainly seen. For Arsenius in his fare well writeth thus; we and those with us, salute the whole company off sacred men which are in thy jurisdiction. by which words he manifestly exempteth him self / from the jurisdiction off Athanasius. Whereupon it must follow / that the office off Metropolitaneship in those days / implied no subjection / nor authority to command / over other bishops in his province. And Athanasius in calling the bishops there / his fellow ministers often times: declareth 2in what place he had them / not as subjects / but as his fellows. And that the A. escape not with that Popish shift / that Athanasius thereby did declare his humility: it is to be seen in that book / that the other bishops do more then half a dozen times / call him their fellow minister, barely / without other title. Now if Athanasius not off right / but off his great humility called him self their fellow minister:
Athanasius foloweth: on whom the D. woulde fasten this archbishopricke: firste / because Ischaras submitted him selfe vnto him by lettres. As if euery one which hath offended an other / doothe by his submission acknowledge him an archbishop / whom he hathe offended: and as if Ischaras owght not to haue doone as muche vnto any bishop in the Prouince / yf he had belonged vnto his parishe / as he did vnto that of Athanasius. Secondly becawse Arsenius, and those off his diocese, wrote lettres off submission vnto Athanasius. The print off the diocese is so deeply set in the D. heade / that what soeuer he meeteth with / he turnethe into yt. For there is there no mention off diocese / but off a citie. As for the submission he maketh / yt is not to Athanasius / but vnto the ecclesiastisticall