The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

His other reason is: Jerome saith an elder is contained in a bishop: which he bringeth as a proof to show / that Deacons are therefore under elders / because elders and bishops be all one with S. Paul. So that he hath not only depraved Jeromes mind: but drawn his words to a clean contrary sense / of that he meant. for even / by the same words whereby Jerome would prove they be all one he would prove them divers. And although Jeromes manner of speech here be somewhat hard for that purpose / considering that things which are all one / can not properly be said to contain one another: yet both by his plain words in other places / and manifest suite off his disputation / he made his meaning so well known / that no man (onles willing) could stumble at his phrase. And if the D. will thus hunt at syllables: yet this speech off Jeromes is so far from helping him / that it doth utterly overthrow all his hold he snatcheth at. For where he upon thes words in a bishop is contained an elder, would conclude ¹that every bishop is a minister, but not every minister a bishop: all men see that in taking Jerome by the lips without considering his meaning / the contrary off that the D. gathereth / doth follow: that every minister is a bishop / but not every bishop a minister. For that which is contained under an other / is more particular / and less then that which doth contain: as because the king is contained in the magistrate / therefore every King is a magistrate / but not every magistrate a King.

His other reason is: Ierome saithe an elder is conteined in a bishop: which he bringeth as a proofe to shew / that Deacons are therfore vnder elders / because elders and bishops be all one with S. Paul. So that he hath not onely depraued Ieromes minde: but drawne his wordes to a cleane contrarie sense / of that he ment. for euen / by the same wordes wherby Ierome woulde proue they be all one he would proue them diuers. And althowghe Ieromes maner of speache here be somewhat harde for that purpose / considering that thinges which are all one / can not properly be saide to conteine one another: yet bothe by his plaine wordes in other places / and manifest suite off his disputation / he made his meaning so well knowne / that no man (onles willing) coulde stumble at his phrase. And if the D. will thus hunt at syllables: yet this speache off Ieromes is so farre from helpinge him / that yt dooth vtterly ouerthrow all his houlde he snatcheth at. For where he vpon thes wordes in a bishop is conteined an elder, would conclude