A18080:1104
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
But the D. asketh / why I went about to deface Jerome, if he 1nether make for our ether bishop, or archbishop? for that there could be no other cause but this. I have showed that I saved him his due / and convenient honour: the cause why I gave the reader warning / to try him by the rule off the word off God / was because he seemeth in some places to allow that distinction off bishop from an elder / which is divers from the institution off the Apostle. After he setteth down his places often before repeated / and asketh whether I think those meant of every pastor in his parish. I have showed how although upon occasions before recited / there were not in every congregation at that time a bishop: yet there were in divers. he saith further / that the pastor in every congregation from the beginning, had his authority over his flock without any such constitution. I grant he had his authority / but not so sovereign / as after he obtained by this evil custom: considering that he had an equal part of government / with those joined with him in the administration off the church. And this although it be debated between us: yet the D. frameth his answer as though there were no such thing. For albeit for the most part there were no moe pastors than one in a parish: yet there were moe elders. And albeit Jer. speak of those elders which had the ministry of the word: yet ••at excludeth not those / which were only for government.
But the D. asketh / why I went about to deface Ierome, if he 1nether make for our ether bishop, or archbishop? for that there coulde be no other cause but this. I haue shewed that I saued him his due / and conuenient honor: the cause why I gaue the reader warning / to trie him by the rule off the worde off God / was because he seemeth in some places to alowe that distinction off bishop from an elder / which is diuers from the institution off the Apostell. After he setteth downe his places oftén before repeted / and asketh whether I thincke those mēte of euerie pastor in his parishe. I haue shewed how althowghe vpon occasions before recited / there were not in euery congregacion at that time a bishop: yet there were in diuers. he saith further / that the pastor in euery congregation from the beginning, had his autoritie ouer his flocke withowte anie suche constitution. I graunte he had his antoritie / but not so soueraigne / as after he obteined by this euill custome: considering that he had an equall parte of gouernement / with those ioined with him in the administracion off the churche. And this althowghe yt be debated betwene vs: yet the D. frameth his answer as thowghe there were no suche thinge. For albeit for the moste parte there were no moe pastors thē one in a parishe: yet there were moe elders. And albeit Ier. speake of those elders which had the ministerie of the word: yet at excludeth not those / which were onely for gouernement.