A18080:1113
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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unto whom Bucer answereth: the Bishops were in every respect at the first, equal one with an other: as is before alleged.
vnto whom Bucer answereth: the Bishops vvere in euerie respecte at the firste, equall one vvith an other: as is before alledged.
And where otherwhere he pretendeth allowance of this Popish 1distinction / by the godly writers: the truth is nothing so. For as touching Calvin / he hath openly depraved him. He only showeth upon 2. Cor. 10. vers. 8. that there are divers degrees off ministers / and that one is above an other / as an Apostle above a pastor / which is confessed: but that one pastor is above an other / which is the question / he hath not a word. That out of Heza / is only a recital what was done / not what he allowed: considering that (as hath been showed) he utterly condemneth those offices off Lord bishop / Archbish / &c. beside that in showing that they came in process off time after the Apostles: he hangeth the D. cause on the hedge which would have this distinction in the time of the Apostles. Nether hath Hemingius this distinction / where the D. supposeth / he only saith that they are equal as touching 2spiritual regiment. What they be in external / he referreth to another place: which when the D. bringeth / he shall have answer. And whensoever it cometh I think it will overthrow his before: that there are some ministries of the word and Sacraments only, some for government also. for although he allow a government unto him he calleth bishop / larger then to an other minister: yet (I think) he can not show that he shutteth out the other out off the externall governement. Ad also / that I have showed / that even when thes smoky offices came first in / nether the Doctor / nor pastor were severed from government off their several congregation. For that wherein the metropolitan then exceeded the pastor / was a preeminence or honour without authority: so that even then / it was an evil distinction / off certain ministers off the word and sacraments only, and certain which did govern.