The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

To the next sect. pag. 28.

IF this sentence (he that is a good and a modest preacher will not disdain as well to be taught as teach) be not an idle vagabond / and broken loose from all his follows: then it must needs be a reason off that wherein you said before / that you knew no man so well learned, but it might become him to read and learn Master Nowell's Catechism and the Argument is as I have gathered it. For you to prove that it becometh the authors off the admonition to learn that Catechism / add that the place off Timothy / doth not forbid to learn. And again a Modest preacher will not disdain to be taught. So that this is your argument / A modest preacher must be taught / therefore he must learn that Catechism / and therefore must be enjoined to learn it. And if you say that you set it down to show / that no man is so well learned but he may learn still / or to show that the place off Saint Paul doth not forbid to learn: I ask to what purpose? Considering that the authors off the admonition / do not deny that a Minister ought to learn: but that it is unmeet for a Minister to be enjoined to learn Catechisms. And as for all the arguments which the D. gathereth himself out off this place / they are so many witnesses against him / that he fought with his own shadow. For where he still concludeth they may read Catechisms / he concludeth that which the admonition denieth not: but that which the admonition denieth to be meet / (which is to drive a minister to learn Catechisms) he never concludeth. It shall be therefore at your own choice / whether you will have that your argument that I have framed / or else that you have not spoken to the matter.

IFF this sentence (he that is a good and a modest preacher will not disdaine as well to be taught as teach) be not an idle vagabonde / and broken loose from all his followes: then it must needes be a reason off that wherin yow said before / that yow knew no man so well learned, but yt might become him to reade and learne Maister Nowellles Cathechisme and the Argument is as I haue gathered it. For yow to proue that yt becommeth the authors off the admonition to learne that Cathechisme / adde that the place off Timothie / dothe not forbidd to learne. And againe a Modest preacher will not disdaine to be taught. So that this is your argument / A modest preacher must be taught / therfore he must learne that Cathechisme / and therfore must be enioyned to learne yt. And iff yow saie that yow set yt downe to shew / that no man is so well learned but he may learne still / or to shew that the place off Saint Paule dothe not forbidd to learne: I aske to what purpose? Considering that the authors off the admonition / do not denie that a Minister owght to learne: but that yt is vnmeete for a Mynister to be enioyned to learne Cathechismes. And as for all the argumentes which the D. gatherethe himselfe owt off this place / they are so manie witnesses against him / that he fowght with his owne shadowe. For where he still concludethe they may reade Cathechismes / he concludeth that whiche the admonition denieth not: but that whiche the admonition denieth to be meete / (which is to driue a minister to learne Cathechismes) he neuer concludeth. Yt shalbe therfore at your owne choise / whether yow will haue that your argument that I haue framed / or els that yow haue not spoken to the matter.