A18080:1135
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Where he saith / in straitening Titus to one church, I make him pastor, 1which I deny: let him learn that to have charge in one church alone / ⟨p. DCXVI⟩not a pastor / unless he be so tied that he can not depart / without the church lose his bond. Which neither Titus was / nor is by any word affirmed off me. Whether the rest be shameless accusations / let the reader judge. The next / although unworthy of answer / being but bare affirmations against my reasons / is answered ebefore As for that those words receive no accusations, &c. must needs be understanded of one which hath other elders underneath him, and therefore not off every pastor: it argueth that the D. is spent. For he knoweth that we hold that every pastor had his elders assistant: which hath / and shall (God willing) appear. Besides that it argueth his ignorance off the state of the elder churches: where (as hath been showed) bishops sat in judgement off other bishops / and elders not underneath them. That there be not a hundred 3several precepts, in the three epistles to Timothy, and Titus (whereas in divers verses there be six / or seven) doth well become his boldness. Against reason alleged out off Augustine / that the place out off Epiphanius was of some false Epiphanius: here is nothing but authority. Howbeit not to strive for this: before I come to answer it is to be noted / that this is Pigghius reason against the church off God / even in the very self same cause which we have now in hand / touching this sort of bishops. For against the Waldenses first / and after against Wickleve / which put no difference between a bishop / and a priest: cPigghius hath a treatise in his Hierarche / wherein he presseth them with this testimony of Epiphanius. And further saith of Wickleve / that therefore he took away the difference between bishop / and elder / because he could not obtain the bishopric of Worcester. and in dan other book inveigheth sharply against them / for that they would have neither Pope / nor primate / nor Archbishop / nor Bishop.