A18080:1152
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Where I alleged that the Emperor Theodosius, and Valentinian commanded him to keep him to his own church only: his answer is fond / that the Emperors meaning was, that he should not come to the Synod. For are these two all one: to keep him self to his own church only, and not to come to the Synod?? When he might come to the synod / although he kept not him self to his own church only: which he could not have done / if they had been all one. Where he saith / it appeareth that the Emperor gave that charge, that he should not come unto the Synod but called: it maketh nothing to the purpose. For that may well stand with that I alleged / off his keeping to one church only. And in deed there had been small wisdom / to have forbidden him the Council in respect off the heresy he laboured off: and yet to have suffered him to govern such a mighty people. When I expounded tares, hypocrites: I had not the book before me / but trusting therein to Theodoretes knowledge in the scripture / esteemed that he meant them / off whom the parable is understanded: that is those / off whose ether corruption in life / or doctrine / the church can have no certain knowledge to proceed against / or to give (as he did) sentence upon. Neither is he yet purged off the suspicion: considering that it can hardly be believed / that there was not in 800. churches one only heretic. And if there were not: yet it was hard for ⟨p. DCXXIX⟩him to have such knowledge off so many churches / whereby he might give so precise a sentence: especially if they be compared with ours / which often have heretics even under there nose / and either see them not / or look through their fingers.
Where I alledged that the Emperour Theodosius, and Valētinian cōmaunded him to kepe him to his ovvne church onely: his answere is fond / that the Emperours meaning was, that he should not come to the Synode. For are these two all one: to kepe him self to his ovvne churche onely, and not to come to the Synode?? When he might come to the synode / althowghe he kept not him selfe to his owne churche onely: which he could not haue done / yf they had bene all one. Where he saithe / yt appeareth that the Emperour gaue that charge, that he should not come vnto the Synode but called: yt maketh nothing to the pourpose. For that may well stand with that I alledged / off his keping to one churche onely. And in dede there had bene small wisdome / to haue forbidden him the Councell in respecte off the heresie he laboured off: and yet to haue suffred him to gouerne such a mightie people. When I expounded tares, hipocrites: I had not the booke before me / but trusting therin to Theodoretes knowledge in the scripture / estemed that he meant them / off whom the parable is vnderstanded: that is those / off whose ether corruption in life / or doctrine / the churche can haue no certeine knowledge to procede againste / or to giue (as he did) sentence vpon. Neither is he yet purged off the suspicion: considering that yt can hardly be belieued / that ther was not in 800. churches one onely heretike. And if ther were not: yet yt was hard for