A18080:1155
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Where also otherwhere he supposeth Calu. meant by Provinces, such as are under diverse governors, because one Province in one particular 1church, in one kingdom, under one Prince, is but one body, &c. to omit his absurd speech / that a province is in a particular church, in stead that he should have said / a particular church is in the province: let it be observed that in making the whole church in a kingdom / but that singular body Calu. speaketh off: he maketh notwithstanding the church in one province / which is the half off that / yea ⟨p. DCXXXI⟩every diocese to be that singular body. So that one singular / and undivisible body off a church / must be twenty / and one off them also containing an other: which is absurd. yea by this means the church in a 100. Provinces being under one Prince / shall be but one singular body. His reason that he can not mean a particular parish, because every one hath not many ministers: is a cavil. For it is enough that there were diverse in some churches (as in the church off Philips whereof he spake) to draw him to that consideration. Besides that there was (as shall appear) in the particular churches / appointed by the word off God an eldership: amongest whom it was meet the same order should be kept. Where he supposeth Calvin to have thought the church off Geneva with all those belonging unto it, to have made but one body off a church: all see the D. poverty / driven to leave his wide works / to seek some comfort in his thoughts / only known to the lord. If I should use the advantage off that he spake / and I heard off undoubted witnesses / that although he had no preeminence before the lowest Minister / but only to propound the causes / gather the voices / &c. and was chosen thereunto every two year: yet he misliked that that small preeminence should so long remain with one / as which in time might breed in convenience: likewise that I heard my self off Master Beza which misliked off it for the same cause / affirming it convenient that it should be done by every Pastor off the same resort in his week / whereof there be also other witnesses: I say if I should use this advantage / a great deal more honest then his:
Where also otherwhere he supposeth Calu. meant by Prouinces, suche as are vnder diuerse gouernours, because one Prouince in one particular 1