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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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And where he saith that he counteth that expressed in the scripture when it is either in manifest words contained, or thereof gathe red by necessary collection: I answer / that I suppose / that there was never writer / holy nor profane / that ever spake so: and that it biddeth defiance bothe to de vinitie / and humanity / being forged (as it is to be feared) contrary to his own knowledge / only that he might give some colour unto that absurdity / which he would so gladly fasten on me. I say that it is against his own knowledge: forasmuch as in his former book / and even in the next division / (which is in the 78 / page off this his later book) he confesseth this difference off being expressed in the word / and gathered off it / which is the same in effect which I have said. For he saith that nothing ought to be tolerated in the church' &c. onles it be expressly contained in the word off god or may manifestly thereof be gathered. Here he plainly opposeth as member off one division / expressly contained, and manifestly gathered: now in this later book clean contrarily / he maketh gathered to be a part of expressed. And in an other place off his former book / (as it appeareth in the 24. page off his book) he saith: and none off these circumstances are commanded in the scripture, or by necessary collection thereof may be gathered. Where he supposeth some thing necessary to salvation ⟨p. XLVII⟩/ which is not commanded / namely which may be necessarily gathered of the scripture. And if those words commanded in the scriptures (which are general) will not contain all that which is necessary (as his division teacheth:) how much less will thes words / expressed in the scriptures, compass them? and if commanded and forbidden be all one with expressed (as he here affirmeth): then did he absurdly to make gathered off the scriptures / to be an opposite member unto commanded. That which I said off the argument off authority off a man / to be neither good affirmatively / nor negatively / farther then to induce the reader into some liking / or misliking / and not to have force to compel: is apparent unto all which have any spark of judgement. That which is brought out off Aristotle / is to no purpose: and it maketh also against the A. Forasmuch as where Aristotle saith / that credit is to be given to him that is cunning:
And where he saithe that he coūntethe that expressed in the scripture when yt is either in manifest wordes conteined, or theroff gathe red by necessary collection: I answer / that I suppose / that there was neuer writer / holie nor prophane / that euer spake so: and that yt byddethe defiance bothe to de vinitie / and humanitie / being forged (as yt is to be feared) contrary to his owne knowledge / onely that he might giue some colour vnto that absurdytie / which he woulde so gladlye fasten on me. I saie that it is against his owne knowledge: forasmuche as in his former booke / and euen in the nexte diuision / (which is in the 78 / page off this his later booke) he confessethe this difference off being expressed in the worde / and gathered off it / which is the same in effecte which I haue saide. For he saithe that nothing owght to be tollerated in the churche' &c. onles yt be expresly conteined in the worde off god or maye manifestly therof be gathered. Here he plainely opposeth as member off one diuision / expressely conteined, and manifestly gathered: now in this later booke cleane contrarily / he maketh gathered to be a part of expressed. And in an other place off his former booke / (as it appeareth in the 24. page off his booke) he saithe: and none off these circumstances are commaunded in the scripture, or by necessarie collection theroff may be gathered. Where he supposeth some thinge necessarie to saluation