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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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And to the first place / which is that the wisdom of god in his word / doth teach men every good way / and therefore 1the way which ought to be taken in the establishment of orders / and ceremonies in the church: he asketh me in great scorn / what that maketh to the purpose? in deed to prove that which he untruly / and contrary to my plain words / in his answer to all my arguments surmiseth to be my purpose (that is / that no law ought to be made in the church / which is not expressed in the word) I say to prove this / I grant it is not sufficient: but to prove that all things ought to be done in the church / not only not against the commandment / but also according to the commandment of God (which was that which I propounded / and he denied) it is more sufficient / then he is able to answer. His answer also / which supposeth this sentence directed unto princes and magistrates (only belike in that he saith my son) is uttered without all judgement: considering that Solomon / by that title speaketh unto all the children off god / of what calling soever they be / as it is manifest by the writer to the Hebrews.2
And to the first place / whiche is that the wisdome of god in his worde / doothe teache men euery good way / and therefore 1the way which ought to be taken in the establishement of orders / and ceremonies in the churche: he asketh me in great scorne / what that maketh to the purpose? in deede to proue that which he vntruly / and contrarie to my playne wordes / in his answer to al my argumētes surmiseth to be my pourpose (that is / that no lawe ought to be made in the churche / which is not expressed in the worde) I say to proue this / I graunt it is not sufficient: but to proue that all thinges owght to be doone in the church / not onely not against the com̄aundement / but also accordinge to the commaundement of God (which was that which I propounded / and he denied) it is more sufficient / then he is hable to answer. His answer also / which supposeth this sentence directed vnto princes and magistrates (onely belike in that he saithe my sonne) is vttered withowte all iudgemēt: consideringe that Salomon / by that title speaketh vnto all the children off god / of what callinge soeuer they be / as it is manifest by the writer to the Hebrues.2