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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Last off all (if he require authority) Oecumenius / a man mich liked of the answerer / thinketh that he had an especial care / to those that be already members of the church: and Bucer hath a long treatise / wherein he proveth / that if either the Papists / or those that are members off the church must be offended: that it is more agreeable / to provide against the offence off the church / then off the papists.1
Laste off all (yff he require authoritie) Oecumenius / a mā myche liked of the answerer / thīcketh that he had an especiall care / to those that be alredy members of the churche: and Bucer hathe a longe treatise / wherin he proueth / that if either the Papistes / or those that are members off the churche muste be offended: that yt is more agreable / to prouide againste the offence off the churche / then off the papistes.1
- 1Bucer upon the 18. of S. Math.Bucer vpon the 18. of S. Math.
The second rule he alloweth / but admitteth no competent Judges of it / but such as made the orders: as the papists / which (allowing off the Scriptures) take them selves only able / to judge off the sense off them. And if there were but some few as he saith / where as there are many thousands / and those all private men / where there be which have charge: yet I would know of the A. whether the spirit off God / is tied so ether to multitude / or to authority: that both a few / and private / may not espy faults in the orders / which have been devised by many and public persons.
The seconde rule he aloweth / but admittethe no competent Iudges of yt / but suche as made the orders: as the papistes / whiche (alowing off the Scriptures) take them selues onely able / to iudge off the sense off them. And if there were but some few as he saithe / where as there are many thowsansandes / and those all priuate men / where there be which haue charge: yet I wolde know of the A. whether the spirite off God / is tyed so ether to multitude / or to autoritie: that bothe a fewe / and priuate / may not espie faultes in the orders / which haue bene deuised by many and publike persons.