The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Where I conclude against him off that sentence off Augustine / that we ought to follow the customs / and orders off the Apostles / and off the primitive churches / seeing it is certain / that they were our forefathers / and the people off God: and that we ought not to follow the Papists / which are neither the people off God / nor our forefathers: to the first / off following the Apostles / he saith / there were certain things convenient only for their times / which are not to be followed. Wherein onlesse he mean those things / which are in controversy / it is nothing to the purpose: and if he mean them / it is a manifest begging off that / which is in demand. Unto the second point / off not taking the Papists customs / and decrees: he referreth me to other places. Where notwithstanding he never answereth this argument off Augustin: and so in pretence off a fitter place / he hath taken a longer day.

Where I conclude against hym off that sentence off Augustine / that we ought to followe the coustomes / and orders off the Apostels / and off the primatiue churches / seing yt ys certein / that they were our forefathers / and the people off God: and that we owght not to followe the Papistes / which are neither the people off God / nor our forefathers: to the first / off folowinge the Apostels / he saith / there were certeine thinges conuenient onely for their tymes / which are not to be folowed. Wherein onlesse he meane those thinges / which are in controuersie / yt is nothing to the pourpose: and iff he meane them / yt is a manifest begging off that / which is in demaunde. Vnto the seconde point / off not taking the Papistes coustomes / and decres: he referreth me to other places. Where notwithstanding he neuer answereth this argument off Augustin: and so in pretence off a fitter place / he hath taken a longer day.

Where he noteth me of ignorance (in that I said / I could ⟨p. LXXXIII⟩oppose Ignatius / and Tertull / unto August. and Ambrose / touching the fast upon the Lords day) saying / that there is no difference between them, the one part speaking off the Saturday, the other off the Sunday: I am contented to bear his charge off ignorance. But is there any man / so forsaken off all not learning only / but common reason / which doth not understand that thes propositions differ / and fight amongest them selves / it is a detestable thing to fast on the Lords day: which is the Judgement off Ignatius / and Tertull: and / it is lawful to fast on the Lords day: Which is the Judgement off Augustine / set down off him self? And when Ambrose / speaking not only off the Sabbath off the Jews / but generally / willeth that whatsoever the custom off the church be in that behalf off fasting, it should be followed: doth he not manifestly overthrow his saying / which saith / to fast on the Lords day is to kill the Lord? And even in the case off the fast off the Jews Sabbath / which Casulanus demandeth counsel off / it appeareth there was great disagreement between the ancient fathers / considering that in the Canons / which are attributed unto the Apostles /